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Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 12:26
by Lofthouse Tiger
There is always a certain amount of optimism every pre season and the last 2 season probably more so. How long that optimism stays depends on the coaches and players and the first 5/6 games tells a story.

Last year was not as good as the year before but realistically did anyone think it would be? Maybe not but a top 3 finish and a semi final were big achievements with Gale and Eden missing for big parts of the season. We shall see what becomes of 2019 in good time.

Until the season starts there will always be speculation around the club about many things and people will and do contribute to the topics on here because that is what a forum is meant to do. Or I thought it was. You will always get extreme views on most subjects with the usual suspects being involved.

At the end of all this we will all still be Cas fans, some with season tickets, some not all for differing reasons. Some with shirts some not. Some that agree with everything the club do/say, some not. We won’t always agree on everything.

Happy posting folks, here’s to another good year/season in 2019.

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 13:22
by John
braytontiger wrote:
gateman wrote:as one of the few hundred fans that turn out to watch our under 19s mostly playing on a Thursday night clashing with the TV match, if we cant watch our first team on a Sunday is there any reason the under 19s could not play on Sunday when the first team have played midweek, I am sure the gates would increase to watch the young guns . as season ticket holders get free entry it gives a bit more value[/

just about every player is part time and are either at college or in some cases have jobs. Sunday is 1 day a week they get off to chill out when there is no training or a game.
To be fair 19s there not promoted enough and not a lot of people are interested in the talent we have if your not a 1st team player cas media are not interested hopefully this will change in 2020 when we get a reserve team

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 15:19
by braytontiger
John wrote:
braytontiger wrote:
gateman wrote:as one of the few hundred fans that turn out to watch our under 19s mostly playing on a Thursday night clashing with the TV match, if we cant watch our first team on a Sunday is there any reason the under 19s could not play on Sunday when the first team have played midweek, I am sure the gates would increase to watch the young guns . as season ticket holders get free entry it gives a bit more value[/

just about every player is part time and are either at college or in some cases have jobs. Sunday is 1 day a week they get off to chill out when there is no training or a game.
To be fair 19s there not promoted enough and not a lot of people are interested in the talent we have if your not a 1st team player cas media are not interested hopefully this will change in 2020 when we get a reserve team
Again we are slow off the mark waiting until 2020 to run a reserves when many clubs will be running reserves from 2019. Makes me wonder if the club takes youth development as serious as it says. We are going to have a fair number of fringe players struggling to get games under their belt again next year.

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 19:37
by alftupper
a quick Google search reveals our average attendances

2017 9525
2018 7898

I’m sure some pedant may want to adjust these figures but again this was just a quick internet search.

that’s a huge 17% drop

Before Hudds starts with a long tedious list of mitigating reasons, I’m not interested.

This wasn’t a struggling team, it played the most entertaining rugby of the year and made the GF so what happened? Rather than Wells and Co. issuing banal platitudes in the form of 3 year plans they need to focus on this worrying trend that has occurred during their tenure.

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 19:40
by betts21
Im all for forward planning but you also have to concentrate on the hear and now. I remember richard wright always had a 5 year plan didnt he

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 20:54
by Lofthouse Tiger
Didn’t Wells join midway through this season? A bit harsh to blame him for these figures dropping.

Every team in most sports will see big increases in support/turnover when things are going well. I just think the situation with the full back and the GF performance showed we still need to work and push on. Did that happen? Maybe not as it should have done.

This season/year was our 2 main contributors missing for the whole and half a season. That doesn’t help matters. I think we will see another drop next year if we don’t start well. These things happen in sport. The only concern I have is that we won’t be signing many new players and if we don’t change the attitude we will drop quickly.

Re: season ticket sales

Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 21:52
by braytontiger
Lofthouse Tiger wrote:Didn’t Wells join midway through this season? A bit harsh to blame him for these figures dropping.

Every team in most sports will see big increases in support/turnover when things are going well. I just think the situation with the full back and the GF performance showed we still need to work and push on. Did that happen? Maybe not as it should have done.

This season/year was our 2 main contributors missing for the whole and half a season. That doesn’t help matters. I think we will see another drop next year if we don’t start well. These things happen in sport. The only concern I have is that we won’t be signing many new players and if we don’t change the attitude we will drop quickly.
Agree with this ^^ you could say we were without our main 3 contributors from 2017 where the majority of our points were scored,looking back we didn't do too bad this year circumstances given. IMO you can afford 1 season of transition but when 1 turns into 2 it's very easy to slip away so the season coming is massive in terms of which direction in the table we go. I guess I'm like most in that I feel we are just lacking that little bit of quality out wide but we've doubted DP before and he's proved us all wrong many times. Here's to looking forward to 2019

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 21:58
by tigerfeat
You can't blame jon wells for things that happened before he came and that set the tone for the season just gone he's right there needs to be a long term plan
We're a couple of good players short of were we should be if they come in id tip us to win one of the big two trophys next year it's not doom and gloom just dissaponting we've not strengthened were we should have ...yet

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 22:15
by HuddsTigers
Which games were our biggest YoY droppers from the season before? There’s clearly a few games where circumstances were against the club (Warrington at H for example). Could argue club could have postponed it but given backlog already you can understand why.

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 23:13
by John
Season tickets went up by 1000 for this year but attendance dropped by 2000 leeds games not been a sell out think people got fed up with leeds cas games use to be a sell out no where near this year

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 11 Nov 2018, 10:36
by vandeveldtsbaldhead
Isnt one of the reasons for drop in attendences that we played Catalan Dragons and Huddersfield Giants at home twice.
I also cant see buying one good centre would dramatically increase season ticket sales.
The fixutre dates are chaotic, Thursday games, playing away in Lancashire on Fridays and Thursday nights, not getting home til midnight.

The loss of the majority of games on a Sunday is a bid factor in drop of attendences.

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 11 Nov 2018, 19:54
by cogito ergo sum
alftupper wrote:a quick Google search reveals our average attendances

2017 9525
2018 7898

I’m sure some pedant may want to adjust these figures but again this was just a quick internet search.

that’s a huge 17% drop

Before Hudds starts with a long tedious list of mitigating reasons, I’m not interested.

This wasn’t a struggling team, it played the most entertaining rugby of the year and made the GF so what happened? Rather than Wells and Co. issuing banal platitudes in the form of 3 year plans they need to focus on this worrying trend that has occurred during their tenure.
All but 2 clubs declined in attendance, Hull and Saints bucking the trend. So is it a Cas problem or a general malaise? My search gave Cas a 12% drop.

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 11 Nov 2018, 22:59
by HuddsTigers
HuddsTigers wrote:
Lofthouse Tiger wrote:What do people expect from a friendly in December? It is all to generate a few quid and nothing much more really. Nothing comes of it, it has no bearing on anything and the players won’t and don’t go full tilt. Why would they?

I don’t do friendly games, even close to the season to be fair. Can see why they have them pre season but December? No thank you. If you get nothing from it and feel it costs too much why would you go?

My gut feeling is that this has been moved back to later in the month to make it a more meaningful friendly with the season starting first weekend of February.

Probably have 3 friendlies and one reserves/U19 friendly

Fev Friendly (30th December)
Training Camp (w/c 7-11 January) - if we have one
Second Friendly (January 13th) - probably something like Bradford
Third Friendly (January 20th) - probably someone like Wakefield
Reserve Friendly (January 25th Friday night) - probably York or someone like that

Confirmed friendly versus Leeds away on Jan 20th for Kallum Watkins’ testimonial.

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 11 Nov 2018, 23:09
by betts21
Cant wait to get to these friendlys to see all our new signings get a run out????

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 12 Nov 2018, 07:21
by alftupper
cogito ergo sum wrote:
alftupper wrote:a quick Google search reveals our average attendances

2017 9525
2018 7898

I’m sure some pedant may want to adjust these figures but again this was just a quick internet search.

that’s a huge 17% drop

Before Hudds starts with a long tedious list of mitigating reasons, I’m not interested.

This wasn’t a struggling team, it played the most entertaining rugby of the year and made the GF so what happened? Rather than Wells and Co. issuing banal platitudes in the form of 3 year plans they need to focus on this worrying trend that has occurred during their tenure.
All but 2 clubs declined in attendance, Hull and Saints bucking the trend. So is it a Cas problem or a general malaise? My search gave Cas a 12% drop.
I’m not talking about other clubs, I’m talking about Cas. A club who had the best season in their history (League Champions is for me the pinnacle) managing to lose 17% of their support the following year while still playing at or near the top of the league.

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 12 Nov 2018, 08:25
by Dixie D
Did these attendance figures include the super 8's? I thought our attendances in them were fantastic compared to most, big crowd for us against Catalan which are notoriously poor. Also maybe the number of home fans would be a more a more accurate representation of our support as a number of 'big' games did not bring the usual away following, mainly Leeds, Wakey, can't remember any of the Lanc teams bringing good numbers either compared to previous years.

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 12 Nov 2018, 09:03
by heritage1926
HuddsTigers wrote:
HuddsTigers wrote:
Lofthouse Tiger wrote:What do people expect from a friendly in December? It is all to generate a few quid and nothing much more really. Nothing comes of it, it has no bearing on anything and the players won’t and don’t go full tilt. Why would they?

I don’t do friendly games, even close to the season to be fair. Can see why they have them pre season but December? No thank you. If you get nothing from it and feel it costs too much why would you go?

My gut feeling is that this has been moved back to later in the month to make it a more meaningful friendly with the season starting first weekend of February.

Probably have 3 friendlies and one reserves/U19 friendly

Fev Friendly (30th December)
Training Camp (w/c 7-11 January) - if we have one
Second Friendly (January 13th) - probably something like Bradford
Third Friendly (January 20th) - probably someone like Wakefield
Reserve Friendly (January 25th Friday night) - probably York or someone like that

Confirmed friendly versus Leeds away on Jan 20th for Kallum Watkins’ testimonial.
I used to really enjoy playing Leeds, especially away. Now i'm of sick of the sight of them.

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 12 Nov 2018, 10:35
by gateman
the more times that we are at home on TV brings the number of spectators down I have two mates that look at their money and head off to the pub to watch the game, when not on TV they are on the terraces there must be loads like them I hope the money received from sky for a TV game covers the missing fans but I doubt it does

Re: season ticket sales

Posted: 12 Nov 2018, 10:52
by braytontiger
gateman wrote:the more times that we are at home on TV brings the number of spectators down I have two mates that look at their money and head off to the pub to watch the game, when not on TV they are on the terraces there must be loads like them I hope the money received from sky for a TV game covers the missing fans but I doubt it does

I'd say the 2 million a season covers it and without it we don't have a game so I guess we just have to get on with it. Been on sky hasn't kept the crowds down at Leeds United either at home or away in fact it's driven crowds up in support of the club.

I hate Thursday games as much as the next man but again this as gone on in football for years without complaint so although fairly new to rugby league it's not new to sport.

Re: season ticket sales...

Posted: 12 Nov 2018, 10:59
by heritage1926
gateman wrote:the more times that we are at home on TV brings the number of spectators down I have two mates that look at their money and head off to the pub to watch the game, when not on TV they are on the terraces there must be loads like them I hope the money received from sky for a TV game covers the missing fans but I doubt it does
True, twice last season, I missed games due to the convenience of them being on Sky. I'd had a long day at work and got home later than i'd wanted to, it was easier staying home and watching it.