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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by duke street 10 » 07 Oct 2018, 16:51

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tigerfeat wrote:The mental toughness should come from people calling you a choker and not wanting to go through the same again next time your in a big match if you don't have that inside you no guru or navy assault course is going to put it there
They won't get it taking selfies and playing fortnite either.
Taking folk out of their usual familiar "comfort zone" and placing them under unconventional stressful situations when fatigued and tired takes you to different places mentally/physically/emotionally. After all the first elements of interrogation are sleep derivation and high levels of fatigue.

DP is a super coach and nobody can argue at that
However our biggest problem is between the ears and the players mindset. That's what let's us down it's proven and becoming a bad trait - that's why specialist/specific professionals take over to develop those skills DP or anyone at the club does not have the ability to develop and provide.

Until you experience being under extreme high stress scenarios you have no experience of them. Once you are, you then reevaluate your thought process, learn, and tolerate then you start to adjust and cope Psychologically Physically and Emotionally.
I was told a story by someone who serves in the Police,but was very vague in his actual job title as it was linked to Homeland security.
He and his "team" went on a weeks operational training somewhere in the UK with two current serving S.A.S solders. By the end of the week he and his team were in awe with how mentally strong,completely committed,dogged yet calm in everything the guys from the S.A.S did.

By the sounds of it they weren't the biggest guys on the course...looked like "average Joes" , they both propped up the hotel bar every night and had very little sleep, but when there was tasks to be done the following days they were on it.

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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by gateman » 07 Oct 2018, 23:34

today I was fortunate enough to attend the Cas EX players association dinner , have a talk to the people who have put a CAS shirt on nearly to a man they will tell you who is the best coach in super league most of you are like me think we know the game would I swap DP for any other coach not bloody likely

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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by vandeveldtsbaldhead » 08 Oct 2018, 10:16

DP, has done a great job, he admitted team didnt have the big game mentality, I thought we would have learnet from the defeat to Leeds in GF last year, but apparently not.
The team we have is OK, but definately needs strengthening in certain positions.
We need two centres, someone like Bryson Goodwin, strong and powerful runner. Shenton has served us well, but his time is over. I think we are Ok with wingmen, Eden, Minikin, Clare, Gill
We need a second row forward who can break tackles and create space. When did we last have a second row forward who did that, we rarely break a tackle. McMeeken and Holmes ,Jesse, and Cook are solid enough, but havent got that special edge that we need, someone to break tackles and create 30 or 40 yards.
Overall the season has been a success considering the injuries we have had.
The "never winning at St Helens" is another thing they must address, perhaps a psychologist for an hour may help, it must be in the mind, 28 years since a league win, 26 years with a win at all.

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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by heritage1926 » 08 Oct 2018, 10:19

A question for those who think Powell has taken us as far as he can.. who comes in and takes us that one step further then?

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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by tigerfeat » 08 Oct 2018, 10:34

powell has put his hand up and said we dont have the big game mentality not tough enough in the mental department my moneys on him to put that right
if he did leave everybody would be praying for him to come back in a very short space of time
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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by flow » 08 Oct 2018, 10:48

tigerfeat wrote:powell has put his hand up and said we dont have the big game mentality not tough enough in the mental department my moneys on him to put that right
if he did leave everybody would be praying for him to come back in a very short space of time
Just being talking to harded fev fan who said he was a great coach till came to big games starts over thinking tactics in stead keeping playing ow being all year maybe some thing in that comment

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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by Mysterio » 08 Oct 2018, 10:52

Pre season will hopefully bring about variation to our attacking play now.
The arcing fullback overlap run has its place but can no longer be relied upon to win games with,
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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by tigerfeat » 08 Oct 2018, 10:54

i think hes a good bloke done a unbelievable job like everybody made one or two mistakes and been let down by some of his players when its mattered most in my opinion
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Post by old cas lass » 08 Oct 2018, 10:56

Mysterio wrote:Pre season will hopefully bring about variation to our attacking play now.
The arcing fullback overlap run has its place but can no longer be relied upon to win games with,
The reason that asnt work this year is the swapping and changing of fullbacks through the season. We never got any consistency.
With a full presonson under his belt I think peter matautia will fill that roll and move.
Saw it a few times in the 8’s.

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Post by tigerfeat » 08 Oct 2018, 10:59

i heard jon wells say last night he knew toronto had some good players lined up if they had beat london and got into super league wonder if he going to give any of em a ring this morning ha
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Post by tallguyx » 08 Oct 2018, 11:10

tigerfeat wrote:i heard jon wells say last night he knew toronto had some good players lined up if they had beat london and got into super league wonder if he going to give any of em a ring this morning ha
I personally think that it started going a bit wrong when we appointed wells. It seemed to come out of the blue we were already a good team (full back issue apart). Fair enough he brought in Watts and Matutaia but maybe they wanted to come to cas anyway.

Too many cooks like the old saying goes. I agree with what people said above too we seem to play a different style in the big games.

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Post by fords » 08 Oct 2018, 11:22

tallguyx wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:i heard jon wells say last night he knew toronto had some good players lined up if they had beat london and got into super league wonder if he going to give any of em a ring this morning ha
I personally think that it started going a bit wrong when we appointed wells. It seemed to come out of the blue we were already a good team (full back issue apart). Fair enough he brought in Watts and Matutaia but maybe they wanted to come to cas anyway.

Too many cooks like the old saying goes. I agree with what people said above too we seem to play a different style in the big games.
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Post by cogito ergo sum » 08 Oct 2018, 11:40

tallguyx wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:i heard jon wells say last night he knew toronto had some good players lined up if they had beat london and got into super league wonder if he going to give any of em a ring this morning ha
I personally think that it started going a bit wrong when we appointed wells. It seemed to come out of the blue we were already a good team (full back issue apart). Fair enough he brought in Watts and Matutaia but maybe they wanted to come to cas anyway.

Too many cooks like the old saying goes. I agree with what people said above too we seem to play a different style in the big games.
Wells came as a management restructure following the departure of SG. Fulton directs the business, Wells directs the football side, Darrell concentrates on the team and coaching. A good structure IMO.

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Post by tallguyx » 08 Oct 2018, 12:17

Who decides what players we sign if that’s the case then?

If it’s a system that has long failed in football (ie Newcastle,Bolton,Middlesbrough it’s a long list) with having someone of a similar ilk (not a business man but a ex player) above the coach signing players then I will bite my tongue. We haven’t moved forward at all this season for me I don’t blame Daryl either I blame the Hardaker nonsense and this restructuring.

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Post by fords » 08 Oct 2018, 12:24

tallguyx wrote:Who decides what players we sign if that’s the case then?

If it’s a system that has long failed in football (ie Newcastle,Bolton,Middlesbrough it’s a long list) with having someone of a similar ilk (not a business man but a ex player) above the coach signing players then I will bite my tongue. We haven’t moved forward at all this season for me I don’t blame Daryl either I blame the Hardaker nonsense and this restructuring.
Prob something along the lines of

DP says i want players x,y,z

Mr Wells then tries to go out and do a deal for x,y,z

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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by cogito ergo sum » 08 Oct 2018, 13:05

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tallguyx wrote:Who decides what players we sign if that’s the case then?

If it’s a system that has long failed in football (ie Newcastle,Bolton,Middlesbrough it’s a long list) with having someone of a similar ilk (not a business man but a ex player) above the coach signing players then I will bite my tongue. We haven’t moved forward at all this season for me I don’t blame Daryl either I blame the Hardaker nonsense and this restructuring.
Prob something along the lines of

DP says i want players x,y,z

Mr Wells then tries to go out and do a deal for x,y,z
In most good business, it's consultative, but DP will put his case forward and JW's job is to do the business. Without Wells, you still wouldn't have a situation that the coach does all the financial manoeuvres, you'd have the business man. Before Wells SG would have done it. I can't see Wells going over DP's head as far as identifying targets.

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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by heritage1926 » 08 Oct 2018, 13:11

cogito ergo sum wrote:
fords wrote:
tallguyx wrote:Who decides what players we sign if that’s the case then?

If it’s a system that has long failed in football (ie Newcastle,Bolton,Middlesbrough it’s a long list) with having someone of a similar ilk (not a business man but a ex player) above the coach signing players then I will bite my tongue. We haven’t moved forward at all this season for me I don’t blame Daryl either I blame the Hardaker nonsense and this restructuring.
Prob something along the lines of

DP says i want players x,y,z

Mr Wells then tries to go out and do a deal for x,y,z
In most good business, it's consultative, but DP will put his case forward and JW's job is to do the business. Without Wells, you still wouldn't have a situation that the coach does all the financial manoeuvres, you'd have the business man. Before Wells SG would have done it. I can't see Wells going over DP's head as far as identifying targets.
If anything, we’re in a strong position for recruiting than ever before. Jon Wells watches far more live games and can scope out opposition players better than DP will get the chance to. I’d imagine that Wells over the course of this years SL season, will of identified a few players himself, who then in turn would go to DP and ask his opinion. Would make sense.

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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by mart0042 » 08 Oct 2018, 13:16

Wells gets the men DP wants, it had to be that simple.

Wells checks with the man holding the purse that's its achievable. He'll then talk to others about character and will they fit the club. Meaning DP can concentrate on coaching.

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Post by mart0042 » 08 Oct 2018, 13:16

Wells gets the men DP wants, it had to be that simple.

Wells checks with the man holding the purse that's its achievable. He'll then talk to others about character and will they fit the club. Meaning DP can concentrate on coaching.

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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by Flat Capper » 08 Oct 2018, 17:04

I was away last week but in spite of the result I didn't expect this hysteria on my return.

I have often pointed out the comments given to me by the Flat Capped residents I have the misfortune to bump into every day; Powell has always failed in the big games. As harsh as this may seem, IMO it doesn't make him a bad coach, just one that needs to continue to develop.

Hand on heart we all know he is more than capable and I look forward to supporting his team for many years to come.
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