As bad as you'll see...

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Post by orrsome » 21 Jul 2018, 11:18

Tigerwood posse wrote:You have to be pessimistic about our chances of doing anything this season after that display, the ease with which we were torn apart by a 36 year old Danny brough and an average stand off in gaskill was extremely worrying, we couldn’t cope with their speed of movement and bodies in motion, they looked like they could score at will at some points in the game, other teams will have seen how easily we were ripped apart last night and will know exactly how to rip us to shreds, we had a very good team (on paper) out on the paddock last night, but considering the opposition, that was the worst performance in 4 years, absolutely shocking!!!
Have to disagree, the ‘performance’ at Catalans was the worst one I can remember.
What’s really worrying is how we can win most of our games and occasionally put in a shocker like last night!!!
How can we be so inconsistent to beat Warrington and Wigan then lose badly like this?
Is there some problem between the players and/or the coaching staff?

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Re: As bad as you'll see...

Post by fords » 21 Jul 2018, 11:18

tigerfeat wrote:How many of that backline we had last night would you want to have named in the first match next season ?
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Post by fords » 21 Jul 2018, 11:19

duke street 10 wrote:A collective bad day in the office by the entire side. So many questions to be answered...did they think they were going to walk the game after going 12-0 up?

We didn't look sharp,devoid of any attacking structure and Huddersfield offloaded and made yards with ease...didn't seem to matter where their set of 6 started by tackle 5 we were defending our tryline.

The backline looked slow and ponderous, the forwards (Cook apart) appear to be forgetting to make the hard yards and are starting to crab across field attempting to distribute the ball, this i feel is because there isn't much confidence in the half back pairing in attack.

On that performance forget about the semi finals.

did they think they were going to walk the game after going 12-0 up?


Yes i think they did and that was part of the problem

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Post by fords » 21 Jul 2018, 11:24

tigerfeat wrote:How many of that backline we had last night would you want to have named in the first match next season ?
QLT - Hes not played SL for a reason and at 34 we need a proper FB
Clare - ok as backup for a few games a season but that's it
Webster - too old needs to retire
Shenton - Lost it playing poor
Eden - playing poor (maybe all the injuries playing a part)
Ellis - we will leave it there
Trueman - Will be class in years to come

Roberts - sicknote. Needs replacing
Gale - Class
Minikin - quality winger
Gill - Good backup


So for me we seriously need a FB, Centre and Winger that will start and improve our 13 let alone the 17

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Post by KB80 » 21 Jul 2018, 12:20

I think we need to start next season:

New Full back(Priority)
Eden
Shenton
New centre (Priority)/Minikin
New winger/Minikin

Trueman
Gale

Backups
Turner, Claire, Gill, Egodu, Ellis,
Possibly Webster and/or QLT dependent on signings.

I'd look at release Roberts and Aston.

We need to bring in a quality full back and centre as our recruitment priorities (or move Minikin back in the centre's and bring in a quality big, robust winger). Unfortunately FB and centre are pretty tough positions to fill with quality imo. Hopefully we have an NRL player lined up for at least one of those positions.

Assuming no one of note is going to be leaving the top 8 clubs clubs (and Wakey/Leeds) we might end up making late plays for players from teams that go down/don't get promoted, depending on their contract terms (none SL releases).

Leigh - Matautia
Hull KR - Vaivai
Salford - Evalds, Sau
Widnes - Inu
Are the ones I think might be worth consideration as 1st team starters.

Within those squads theirs probably a few additional backs worth a punt as squad/project players Dagger, Shaw, bibby, etc!
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Re: As bad as you'll see...

Post by tigerfeat » 21 Jul 2018, 12:26

The natives were restless coming out of the ground last night that is for sure hopefully when the signings for next year start to be announced all will be rate again
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Re: As bad as you'll see...

Post by Andrew6666 » 21 Jul 2018, 12:36

Should Egodu be getting a look in next week? We threw Minikin in and it worked. Too many underperforming names already on the team sheet for next week.

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Post by gateman » 21 Jul 2018, 12:44

on Daryls interview we look like we have another three forwards that will be missing for a number of weeks, our under 19s look hardly ready but who knows till we try them, Roby Story could do a job at center in my opinion

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Post by Casmoley » 21 Jul 2018, 12:51

gateman wrote:on Daryls interview we look like we have another three forwards that will be missing for a number of weeks, our under 19s look hardly ready but who knows till we try them, Roby Story could do a job at center in my opinion

peachey could of been getting ready for next week by being 19th man last night.

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Post by fords » 21 Jul 2018, 12:55

gateman wrote:on Daryls interview we look like we have another three forwards that will be missing for a number of weeks, our under 19s look hardly ready but who knows till we try them, Roby Story could do a job at center in my opinion
Springer can play surely
McMeeken should be back
Maher
Douglas
Peachey

Christ its only Widnes who have won like 3 games all year

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Post by Casmoley » 21 Jul 2018, 13:14

fords wrote:
gateman wrote:on Daryls interview we look like we have another three forwards that will be missing for a number of weeks, our under 19s look hardly ready but who knows till we try them, Roby Story could do a job at center in my opinion
Springer can play surely
McMeeken should be back
Maher
Douglas
Peachey

Christ its only Widnes who have won like 3 games all year

with injuries he may be forced to play some on that pitch that he usually rests. Hope that doesn't just cause more injuries.

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Post by MØL » 21 Jul 2018, 18:54

KB80 wrote:I think we need to start next season:

New Full back(Priority)
Eden
Shenton
New centre (Priority)/Minikin
New winger/Minikin

Trueman
Gale

Backups
Turner, Claire, Gill, Egodu, Ellis,
Possibly Webster and/or QLT dependent on signings.

I'd look at release Roberts and Aston.

We need to bring in a quality full back and centre as our recruitment priorities (or move Minikin back in the centre's and bring in a quality big, robust winger). Unfortunately FB and centre are pretty tough positions to fill with quality imo. Hopefully we have an NRL player lined up for at least one of those positions.

Assuming no one of note is going to be leaving the top 8 clubs clubs (and Wakey/Leeds) we might end up making late plays for players from teams that go down/don't get promoted, depending on their contract terms (none SL releases).

Leigh - Matautia
Hull KR - Vaivai
Salford - Evalds, Sau
Widnes - Inu
Are the ones I think might be worth consideration as 1st team starters.

Within those squads theirs probably a few additional backs worth a punt as squad/project players Dagger, Shaw, bibby, etc!
Pretty much agree with all that KB. The half situation is a puzzle though. In agreement with our starting halves as Trueman and Gale but I feel we need a quality back up. If anything happens to Gale again next season like this season we're relying on the Trueman/Ellis combination again. A move for someone like Dec Patton before he renewed his contract with Warrington would've been nice. Sadly his ain't going to happen and in 2019 the four halves i'll be the same as now. Gale, Trueman, Roberts and Ellis.

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Post by old cas lass » 21 Jul 2018, 19:33

fords wrote:
gateman wrote:on Daryls interview we look like we have another three forwards that will be missing for a number of weeks, our under 19s look hardly ready but who knows till we try them, Roby Story could do a job at center in my opinion
Springer can play surely
McMeeken should be back
Maher
Douglas
Peachey

Christ its only Widnes who have won like 3 games all year
You don’t take anything for granted in this game no matter who you play.
Every game should be approached the same, be it saints or Widnes.

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Re: As bad as you'll see...

Post by Flat Capper » 23 Jul 2018, 12:28

Only just catching up on the weekend's posts but for me it was a classic case of Cas complacency - simple as.

Following the Wigan result Thurs, all I heard on social media, RL media and even on the streets was we were going to be 2nd Friday night. Then going 12-0 up inside the first 10 mins compounded and sub-conscious complacency and we paid the ultimate price.

Once we'd realised we were actually in a competitive game we panicked and lost our way completely with some players trying too hard without thinking. Others were completely lost.

You know you're not playing well when Lee Gaskill is running the show and Danny Brough isn't complaining!
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Re: As bad as you'll see...

Post by tigerfeat » 23 Jul 2018, 12:58

It wasn't a big game as such a final but when things start to go wrong the same things start to happen and the coach ends up speechless he wasn't the only one on Friday
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Re: As bad as you'll see...

Post by mtashy29 » 23 Jul 2018, 13:25

How is it that Wakefield can have a great result when they needed to but Cas didn't treat the Hudds game the same way thats shows we will never win any really important issue games .

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Post by Tamworth Tiger » 23 Jul 2018, 14:11

Because like Huddersfield and Catalans the Wakey team were playing for their livelihoods

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Post by Sharlotiger » 23 Jul 2018, 14:40

mtashy29 wrote:How is it that Wakefield can have a great result when they needed to but Cas didn't treat the Hudds game the same way thats shows we will never win any really important issue games .
Due to fact half of Cas side don't give 2 hoots once they have got their big contracts sorted. Lets hope they start earning them come the Super 8s.

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