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Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 14 Feb 2018, 15:32
by Fryston Tiger
Just remembered something else...
On having several players out on dual-reg and loan....Darryl said it wasn't ideal and would prefer a proper Reserve side, mostly because. although it gives players game-time, they have to learn different calls n moves at the other side whilst still also training with us.
On the signings we've made....DP is happy with what we got. He said we tend to go for projects that he feels can improve and that we have a squad that is capable of doing good things. He feels that we will be in a good place when everyone is upto speed. He did add that we have to make that final step of winning the big matches and obviously that's the aim of everyone at the Club.

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 14 Feb 2018, 17:18
by classysupercas2
Fryston Tiger wrote:Just remembered something else...
On having several players out on dual-reg and loan....Darryl said it wasn't ideal and would prefer a proper Reserve side, mostly because. although it gives players game-time, they have to learn different calls n moves at the other side whilst still also training with us.
On the signings we've made....DP is happy with what we got. He said we tend to go for projects that he feels can improve and that we have a squad that is capable of doing good things. He feels that we will be in a good place when everyone is upto speed. He did add that we have to make that final step of winning the big matches and obviously that's the aim of everyone at the Club.
Thanks for that mate

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 14 Feb 2018, 21:28
by SuffolkTiger
Fryston Tiger wrote:Just remembered something else...
On having several players out on dual-reg and loan....Darryl said it wasn't ideal and would prefer a proper Reserve side, mostly because. although it gives players game-time, they have to learn different calls n moves at the other side whilst still also training with us.
On the signings we've made....DP is happy with what we got. He said we tend to go for projects that he feels can improve and that we have a squad that is capable of doing good things. He feels that we will be in a good place when everyone is upto speed. He did add that we have to make that final step of winning the big matches and obviously that's the aim of everyone at the Club.
Thanks for taking the time to post all that info FT. Really good to get some clarity.

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 14 Feb 2018, 21:33
by fast hands
Fryston Tiger wrote:I would urge all those that have questions they want answered to become members of the CTSC and get down to next event on March 13th.....the Meet the Directors night!
Thanks for your input regards Meet the Coaches. Hope fans of the club will attend future meetings( If possible I will ) by reading your post, this will hopefully stop speculation coming from the faithful.

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 14 Feb 2018, 21:53
by gateman
Fryston Tiger wrote:Just remembered something else...
On having several players out on dual-reg and loan....Darryl said it wasn't ideal and would prefer a proper Reserve side, mostly because. although it gives players game-time, they have to learn different calls n moves at the other side whilst still also training with us.
On the signings we've made....DP is happy with what we got. He said we tend to go for projects that he feels can improve and that we have a squad that is capable of doing good things. He feels that we will be in a good place when everyone is upto speed. He did add that we have to make that final step of winning the big matches and obviously that's the aim of everyone at the Club.
big thanks for keeping us up to speed, it might even appease some of the doom and glume merchants , there again it might not

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 14 Feb 2018, 22:11
by Towns88
Fryston Tiger - superb. Nice reading legitimate comments instead of made up bile. Thank you for sharing.

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 14 Feb 2018, 23:02
by KB80
Fryston Tiger wrote:Just remembered something else...
On having several players out on dual-reg and loan....Darryl said it wasn't ideal and would prefer a proper Reserve side, mostly because. although it gives players game-time, they have to learn different calls n moves at the other side whilst still also training with us.
On the signings we've made....DP is happy with what we got. He said we tend to go for projects that he feels can improve and that we have a squad that is capable of doing good things. He feels that we will be in a good place when everyone is upto speed. He did add that we have to make that final step of winning the big matches and obviously that's the aim of everyone at the Club.
Cheers for posting. Information is very reassuring.

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 15 Feb 2018, 09:41
by tigerfeat
I agree with darryl about benefits there would be if we got a second team up and running like wakey having all the players together rarther than dotted about is a big plus

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 15 Feb 2018, 12:47
by mart0042
tigerfeat wrote:I agree with darryl about benefits there would be if we got a second team up and running like wakey having all the players together rarther than dotted about is a big plus
But the expense for wakey must stop them from further recruitment. If we can get 10% of their wage back from the other clubs it helps.

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 15 Feb 2018, 14:19
by Sharlotiger
mart0042 wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:I agree with darryl about benefits there would be if we got a second team up and running like wakey having all the players together rarther than dotted about is a big plus
But the expense for wakey must stop them from further recruitment. If we can get 10% of their wage back from the other clubs it helps.
It will surely help Wakey in recruiting the best juniors in the area when they can see a clear pathway forward with their development.
Sooner the RFL insist all SL sides must run a reserve and academy sides the better for the future of the game.

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 15 Feb 2018, 19:53
by Spanishtiger
I was a regular watcher of A team rugby in the eighties and early nineties and reckon I can explain why reserve grade football is unlikely to ever be made compulsory.

1. SQUAD SIZES

Every team hopes to get through the superleague season with about 30 players but always end up signing loan players or promoting from their academies. If each team was obliged to field two open age teams they would need 50 to 60 players in their squads.

2. INJURIES

Due to harder grounds and the speeding up of the game there are more injuries than ever before, many of them long term. In the old days players could be brought back from injury via the A team, now you wouldn't want to risk your star players, enough of them get injured in training.

3. SALARY CAP

If you need double the amount of players then you'd have to significantly increase the salary cap to accommodate them, there are already teams in SL that can't spend the salary cap, therefore all the best players would end up at Leeds and Wigan just like the good old days !

4. FIXTURE UNCERTAINTY

In the eighties everyone played on Sundays and played their reserve games on Thursday night. Ideal for testing out first team players returning after injury or for deciding your bench players for Sunday. Now there are games on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, when do you play your reserve games? And that's before Sky start changing the games about.

5. COSTS

Catalans, Toronto, Gloucester, Oxford, Newcastle and South Wales weren't around in the good old days. It costs the same to take your reserves to Perpignan as it would your first team. Difference being about 200 people turn up for your home reserve games, 90% of them are season ticket holders who get in for free. Police and Ambulance still have to be paid as does the electricity for the floodlights.

6. LACK OF PLAYERS

If all the SL clubs have 50 players in their squads, who's going to play for Shefffield, Doncaster, York, Whitehaven, London etc?

So to recap, the reason we don't have A team rugby is the introduction of SUPERLEAGUE and all that went with it IMO.

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 15 Feb 2018, 21:45
by Sharlotiger
Spanishtiger wrote:I was a regular watcher of A team rugby in the eighties and early nineties and reckon I can explain why reserve grade football is unlikely to ever be made compulsory.

1. SQUAD SIZES

Every team hopes to get through the superleague season with about 30 players but always end up signing loan players or promoting from their academies. If each team was obliged to field two open age teams they would need 50 to 60 players in their squads.

2. INJURIES

Due to harder grounds and the speeding up of the game there are more injuries than ever before, many of them long term. In the old days players could be brought back from injury via the A team, now you wouldn't want to risk your star players, enough of them get injured in training.

3. SALARY CAP

If you need double the amount of players then you'd have to significantly increase the salary cap to accommodate them, there are already teams in SL that can't spend the salary cap, therefore all the best players would end up at Leeds and Wigan just like the good old days !

4. FIXTURE UNCERTAINTY

In the eighties everyone played on Sundays and played their reserve games on Thursday night. Ideal for testing out first team players returning after injury or for deciding your bench players for Sunday. Now there are games on Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, when do you play your reserve games? And that's before Sky start changing the games about.

5. COSTS

Catalans, Toronto, Gloucester, Oxford, Newcastle and South Wales weren't around in the good old days. It costs the same to take your reserves to Perpignan as it would your first team. Difference being about 200 people turn up for your home reserve games, 90% of them are season ticket holders who get in for free. Police and Ambulance still have to be paid as does the electricity for the floodlights.

6. LACK OF PLAYERS

If all the SL clubs have 50 players in their squads, who's going to play for Shefffield, Doncaster, York, Whitehaven, London etc?

So to recap, the reason we don't have A team rugby is the introduction of SUPERLEAGUE and all that went with it IMO.
Most sides running reserve sides do so by using exsisting squad players and academy players who look ready to compete at open age. From info I was told it cost the Warrington club around £30,000 to run the reerve side so not a massive outlay when you now consider the money we now have coming into the sport through TV deals.
The main reason we have such a lack of players in the sport is down to the fact so many are discarded from the sport at such a young age and are not allowed to mature, look how many top players of the past were late developers and would have been discarded in todays game, especially in the forwards.
Another tier is essential for the modern game in one form or another.

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 15 Feb 2018, 22:15
by Spanishtiger
Most sides DON'T run a reserve team though

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 15 Feb 2018, 22:27
by Spanishtiger
Most sides DON'T run a reserve team though. Whilst I agree with you in principle Sharlo I'm merely pointing out why teams don't bother. As for Warrington's costs, that's probably about right for half a dozen friendlies and call the game off if you've a couple of injuries. Not the same as a properly organised league. If we had had to fulfil 2 fixtures a week in 2016 who would have played for the reserves ? Or for Huddersfield's reserves last year ?
Also where are you going to play away games against Hull, Hudds, Wigan and anyone else who's a tenant of a football club.
The reason that the reserves disappeared was expediency.

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 15 Feb 2018, 22:29
by Sharlotiger
Spanishtiger wrote:Most sides DON'T run a reserve team though
That's why it needs to be lead by the RFL.

Re: Meet the Coaches

Posted: 15 Feb 2018, 23:24
by Spanishtiger
So the RFL need to organise a competition for journeymen and youngsters to be played at a bizarre selection of grounds at strange times in front of a few hardy spectators with next to no media coverage and at little cost to the superleague teams.

League 1 ring any bells ?