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Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 19:28
by Dez
dancas88 wrote:While ever Zak is banned we don’t have to pay him as he has breached his contract. He has a contract with us till the end of 2021 so that is when his contract will expire no matter what the length of the ban. Unless we either renew it or terminate it. For me we should keep him he’s the best full back in this country and we wouldn’t have achieved what we did last year without him I don’t think. Last year alone he was worth his 150k fee imo
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 20:03
by Goat's Toe
There's a section in the RFL's operational rules that explains that if a player owns up immediately after notification by UKAD of an adverse test result then his ban can commence retrospectively from the date the sample was taken (page 212 or the following ones). I'm assuming this is what he opted to do.

As for going to play union, that won't be an option as that sport also supports the WADA code.

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 20:15
by fords
Dez wrote:
dancas88 wrote:While ever Zak is banned we don’t have to pay him as he has breached his contract. He has a contract with us till the end of 2021 so that is when his contract will expire no matter what the length of the ban. Unless we either renew it or terminate it. For me we should keep him he’s the best full back in this country and we wouldn’t have achieved what we did last year without him I don’t think. Last year alone he was worth his 150k fee imo
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian
No we wont. He is in breach of his contract. He bills are not castigers problem.

He cant play any sport its a worldwide ban.

So its a normal job for 2yrs paid whatever he can get then either back to Cas or someone else if we decided to terminate his contract.

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 20:24
by tigerfeat
I believe wigan were willing to pay him are willing to pay him something till such times as his ban will be over but obviously if cas dont want him to leave that makes no odds

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 20:29
by fords
tigerfeat wrote:I believe wigan were willing to pay him are willing to pay him something till such times as his ban will be over but obviously if cas dont want him to leave that makes no odds
They can be willing to do whatever they want makes no odds. He is contracted to Cas until 2021. Nothing will change unless we either sell him or terminate his contract.

If he stays all that will happen is he cant play until 2020.

Plus wigan wont have the cap space unless they pay him say 15k a year or somat daft for 2yrs just so they hold his registration and then bump it up after his ban.

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 20:33
by fords
tigerfeat wrote:I believe wigan were willing to pay him are willing to pay him something till such times as his ban will be over but obviously if cas dont want him to leave that makes no odds
It may come down to something like cas want him to stay but wont pay him or will pay minimum wage whilst he is banned but wigan will pay more during his ban. He may want to leave for the cash.

If he had half an ounce of remorce he would want to stay and try and put things right and win us the title.

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 20:34
by Dez
fords wrote:
Dez wrote:
dancas88 wrote:While ever Zak is banned we don’t have to pay him as he has breached his contract. He has a contract with us till the end of 2021 so that is when his contract will expire no matter what the length of the ban. Unless we either renew it or terminate it. For me we should keep him he’s the best full back in this country and we wouldn’t have achieved what we did last year without him I don’t think. Last year alone he was worth his 150k fee imo
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian
No we wont. He is in breach of his contract. He bills are not castigers problem.

He cant play any sport its a worldwide ban.

So its a normal job for 2yrs paid whatever he can get then either back to Cas or someone else if we decided to terminate his contract.
It would be called restraint of trade . Also would you seriously think he will come back and play for us when we've turned our backs on him . Thanks for not supporting me the last two years can I still play for you "Yeah right ". That's 150k down the drain

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 20:42
by tigerfeat
fords wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:I believe wigan were willing to pay him are willing to pay him something till such times as his ban will be over but obviously if cas dont want him to leave that makes no odds
They can be willing to do whatever they want makes no odds. He is contracted to Cas until 2021. Nothing will change unless we either sell him or terminate his contract.

If he stays all that will happen is he cant play until 2020.

Plus wigan wont have the cap space unless they pay him say 15k a year or somat daft for 2yrs just so they hold his registration and then bump it up after his ban.
I think he does want to stay at cas mate for a start off he hates one of the well known pie eaters obviously all up in the air i cant imagine wigan would pay a lot for the time hes not playing anyway

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 20:45
by dancas88
Dez wrote:
fords wrote:
Dez wrote:
dancas88 wrote:While ever Zak is banned we don’t have to pay him as he has breached his contract. He has a contract with us till the end of 2021 so that is when his contract will expire no matter what the length of the ban. Unless we either renew it or terminate it. For me we should keep him he’s the best full back in this country and we wouldn’t have achieved what we did last year without him I don’t think. Last year alone he was worth his 150k fee imo
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian
No we wont. He is in breach of his contract. He bills are not castigers problem.

He cant play any sport its a worldwide ban.

So its a normal job for 2yrs paid whatever he can get then either back to Cas or someone else if we decided to terminate his contract.
It would be called restraint of trade . Also would you seriously think he will come back and play for us when we've turned our backs on him . Thanks for not supporting me the last two years can I still play for you "Yeah right ". That's 150k down the drain
How can it be restraint of trade when he is banned from his trade? He can still get another job which apparently the club were helping him with

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 23:00
by Aid
Dez wrote:
fords wrote:
Dez wrote:
dancas88 wrote:While ever Zak is banned we don’t have to pay him as he has breached his contract. He has a contract with us till the end of 2021 so that is when his contract will expire no matter what the length of the ban. Unless we either renew it or terminate it. For me we should keep him he’s the best full back in this country and we wouldn’t have achieved what we did last year without him I don’t think. Last year alone he was worth his 150k fee imo
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian
No we wont. He is in breach of his contract. He bills are not castigers problem.

He cant play any sport its a worldwide ban.

So its a normal job for 2yrs paid whatever he can get then either back to Cas or someone else if we decided to terminate his contract.
It would be called restraint of trade . Also would you seriously think he will come back and play for us when we've turned our backs on him . Thanks for not supporting me the last two years can I still play for you "Yeah right ". That's 150k down the drain
The only RESTRAINT OF TRADE is that Hardaker will be banned from all sports throughout most of the known world. Cas are NOT stopping him plying any trade he likes, including playing rugby league. His own crass stupidity is - he choose to snort coke. And if he does not want to play for Cas when his ban is up, fine, all he has to do is buy out his RL registration or get another club to do so.

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 23:07
by fords
Dez wrote:
fords wrote:
Dez wrote:
dancas88 wrote:While ever Zak is banned we don’t have to pay him as he has breached his contract. He has a contract with us till the end of 2021 so that is when his contract will expire no matter what the length of the ban. Unless we either renew it or terminate it. For me we should keep him he’s the best full back in this country and we wouldn’t have achieved what we did last year without him I don’t think. Last year alone he was worth his 150k fee imo
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian
No we wont. He is in breach of his contract. He bills are not castigers problem.

He cant play any sport its a worldwide ban.

So its a normal job for 2yrs paid whatever he can get then either back to Cas or someone else if we decided to terminate his contract.
It would be called restraint of trade . Also would you seriously think he will come back and play for us when we've turned our backs on him . Thanks for not supporting me the last two years can I still play for you "Yeah right ". That's 150k down the drain
Hes in breach of his contract simple as that.

Not supporting him ?

Its WADA that will ban him not Cas. All cas have to decide is do we keep him until ban is over or shall we get rid and take the loss of 150k

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 19 Dec 2017, 23:10
by fords
tigerfeat wrote:
fords wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:I believe wigan were willing to pay him are willing to pay him something till such times as his ban will be over but obviously if cas dont want him to leave that makes no odds
They can be willing to do whatever they want makes no odds. He is contracted to Cas until 2021. Nothing will change unless we either sell him or terminate his contract.

If he stays all that will happen is he cant play until 2020.

Plus wigan wont have the cap space unless they pay him say 15k a year or somat daft for 2yrs just so they hold his registration and then bump it up after his ban.
I think he does want to stay at cas mate for a start off he hates one of the well known pie eaters obviously all up in the air i cant imagine wigan would pay a lot for the time hes not playing anyway
I reckon he does too but do cas ?

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 20 Dec 2017, 01:25
by Adelaide Tigurrrr!
Dez wrote:[quote="dancas88"
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian
I dont give a monkeys chuff about his mortgage and bills. Dont you understand that this is ALL his fault. If he is up to his neck with bills then he will have to go out and get a jormal paid job just like the rest of us. WE DO NOT owe him a living.

As for bread and water if that is what he has to eat I hope he looks at it everday and thinks what a tool I was.

A WADA ban covers every sport like Union.

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 20 Dec 2017, 01:32
by Adelaide Tigurrrr!
[quote="Dez"
It would be called restraint of trade . Also would you seriously think he will come back and play for us when we've turned our backs on him . Thanks for not supporting me the last two years can I still play for you "Yeah right ". That's 150k down the drain[/quote]

Dez are you related to him?

You could rewrite the post so it reads 'Also would you seriously think some supporters would want him back to play for us after HE turned his back on us due to his stupidity. Thanks Zak for not supporting the cłub, DP, the Board, supporters. And thanks to Zak that it is $150k down the drain'.

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 20 Dec 2017, 09:30
by fords
Adelaide Tigurrrr! wrote:
Dez wrote:[quote="dancas88"
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian
I dont give a monkeys chuff about his mortgage and bills. Dont you understand that this is ALL his fault. If he is up to his neck with bills then he will have to go out and get a jormal paid job just like the rest of us. WE DO NOT owe him a living.

As for bread and water if that is what he has to eat I hope he looks at it everday and thinks what a tool I was.

A WADA ban covers every sport like Union.
Exactly :clap:

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 20 Dec 2017, 10:42
by Lofthouse Tiger
Adelaide Tigurrrr! wrote:
Dez wrote:[quote="dancas88"
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian
I dont give a monkeys chuff about his mortgage and bills. Dont you understand that this is ALL his fault. If he is up to his neck with bills then he will have to go out and get a jormal paid job just like the rest of us. WE DO NOT owe him a living.

As for bread and water if that is what he has to eat I hope he looks at it everday and thinks what a tool I was.

A WADA ban covers every sport like Union.
Absolutely 100% correct. Only 1 person to blame so he must face the consequences. If that means he struggles then tough. Maybe just maybe, but I doubt it, he may just grow up and stop being such an arrogant idiot.

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 20 Dec 2017, 10:50
by yorky
for what its worth i haven't watched a cas game since the grand final, such is the impact he has had with my pleasure of watching cas play & what he has done to ruin the best season we have had for many years, roll on the new season :roll:

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 20 Dec 2017, 10:59
by Lofthouse Tiger
I havent watched the GF either. Coming home that night was as low as I have been in years due to the overall experience. After beating Saints I thought we had enough to win the GF. Then the week before that all changed.

I remember being parked up in Manchester feeling lije everything was not going in our favour at all. Hardaker, the suspension, the weather, the fact it was Leeds and at OT. Remember saying to my lad, who always believes in Cas/Dp and asking what he thought. His face wasnt as optimistic and his words were "Got a bad feeling that we will get beat easy and we wont show up". He has never ever said anything like that in all his years watching Cas. Well we know what happened.

Not saying everything was down to Hardaker but for me thst was the major factor. This is why I feel he should be sacked and mjve on. Money isnt everything.

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 20 Dec 2017, 10:59
by old cas lass
yorky wrote:for what its worth i haven't watched a cas game since the grand final, such is the impact he has had with my pleasure of watching cas play & what he has done to ruin the best season we have had for many years, roll on the new season :roll:

Same here yorky.
It put a right dampner on my off season.

Re: Zak's return?

Posted: 20 Dec 2017, 11:02
by the machine
Lofthouse Tiger wrote:I havent watched the GF either. Coming home that night was as low as I have been in years due to the overall experience. After beating Saints I thought we had enough to win the GF. Then the week before that all changed.

I remember being parked up in Manchester feeling lije everything was not going in our favour at all. Hardaker, the suspension, the weather, the fact it was Leeds and at OT. Remember saying to my lad, who always believes in Cas/Dp and asking what he thought. His face wasnt as optimistic and his words were "Got a bad feeling that we will get beat easy and we wont show up". He has never ever said anything like that in all his years watching Cas. Well we know what happened.

Not saying everything was down to Hardaker but for me thst was the major factor. This is why I feel he should be sacked and mjve on. Money isnt everything.
Echo these sentiments :clap: