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Mcshane try

Post by fords » 23 Jul 2017, 13:19

Go on then somebody has to explain that ine.

Kick goes up
Shenton knocks it back
Mcshane gets hand on it but kicks it before it hits ground
Mcshane kicks again and grounds the ball

Result = turnover

No idea how they came to that

Perfectly good try

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Post by Shameless » 23 Jul 2017, 13:26

The ball hit the ground before McShane kicked it so a knock on.

Its split second stuff but after Shenton passes it back it hits McShanes hand then the floor a second before he kicks it.

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Post by fords » 23 Jul 2017, 14:08

Shameless wrote:The ball hit the ground before McShane kicked it so a knock on.

Its split second stuff but after Shenton passes it back it hits McShanes hand then the floor a second before he kicks it.

It hit his left foot

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Post by derbystiger » 23 Jul 2017, 14:13

fords wrote:
Shameless wrote:The ball hit the ground before McShane kicked it so a knock on.

Its split second stuff but after Shenton passes it back it hits McShanes hand then the floor a second before he kicks it.

It hit his left foot
I watched it through a few times and from one angle it looked like it hit the floor first, from another it looked like it hit his boot first so another 50/50 call that went against us

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Post by Shameless » 23 Jul 2017, 14:27

fords wrote:
Shameless wrote:The ball hit the ground before McShane kicked it so a knock on.

Its split second stuff but after Shenton passes it back it hits McShanes hand then the floor a second before he kicks it.

It hit his left foot
It's the last angle on SKY that shows it. You cant actually see the ground but see the ball move slightly as it hits the deck just before his boot hits the ball. One of the few decisions they got right yesterday.

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Post by InTheKnow » 23 Jul 2017, 14:27

derbystiger wrote:
fords wrote:
Shameless wrote:The ball hit the ground before McShane kicked it so a knock on.

Its split second stuff but after Shenton passes it back it hits McShanes hand then the floor a second before he kicks it.

It hit his left foot
I watched it through a few times and from one angle it looked like it hit the floor first, from another it looked like it hit his boot first so another 50/50 call that went against us
Sent up as no try and due to camera man looking like he had 1 too many Shandy's you couldn't tell if it hit ground first before he kicked it so has to go with on field decision.

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Post by fords » 23 Jul 2017, 14:55

Shameless wrote:
fords wrote:
Shameless wrote:The ball hit the ground before McShane kicked it so a knock on.

Its split second stuff but after Shenton passes it back it hits McShanes hand then the floor a second before he kicks it.

It hit his left foot
It's the last angle on SKY that shows it. You cant actually see the ground but see the ball move slightly as it hits the deck just before his boot hits the ball. One of the few decisions they got right yesterday.
Ok but still looks like a try to me

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Post by cogito ergo sum » 23 Jul 2017, 17:56

Sky final replay shows it, hits the floor. Knock on.

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Post by TT Tiger » 23 Jul 2017, 17:57

So is a drop kick a knock on?

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Post by HuddsTigers » 23 Jul 2017, 18:06

Even if it hits his boot, isn't a knock on? Doesn't it have to be a deliberate attempt or action to kick it.

Not even seen it or seen the game yet so can't comment but just an observation of the rules.
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Post by TheSheriff » 23 Jul 2017, 18:21

Bentham says knock on by Shenton after Hicks puts up no try on the screen so that's just clearly a wrong decision.

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Post by InTheKnow » 23 Jul 2017, 18:30

TheSheriff wrote:Bentham says knock on by Shenton after Hicks puts up no try on the screen so that's just clearly a wrong decision.
No he didn't. He said came off Shenton. (Palmed it back) the decision was not given for McShane knocking on. Ball just hitting floor before his foot.

This doesn't matter anyway because if that wasn't given we probably would of never seen the piece of brilliance from Jy which was amazing so I'm glad it was no try.

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Post by takethetwo » 23 Jul 2017, 18:54

A knock on is sometimes interpreted as the attacking player losing control of the ball. So even if Macca got a toe to the ball it wasnt intentional. I thought it was a try personally.

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Post by lidds » 23 Jul 2017, 19:02

He knocked it on, simple

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Post by tigerfeat » 23 Jul 2017, 19:06

Catalan knock on j.s.l barges into greg bird bentham says to macca yes he did knock on first but even tho they knocked on he still has to have a chance to pick ball up ??
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Post by Fumper27 » 23 Jul 2017, 19:13

tigerfeat wrote:Catalan knock on j.s.l barges into greg bird bentham says to macca yes he did knock on first but even tho they knocked on he still has to have a chance to pick ball up ??
That's correct. The ball isn't dead until AFTER its been played again following a knock on

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Post by InTheKnow » 23 Jul 2017, 20:04

tigerfeat wrote:Catalan knock on j.s.l barges into greg bird bentham says to macca yes he did knock on first but even tho they knocked on he still has to have a chance to pick ball up ??
Yeh the ball is still live until Catalan or a Cas player drops on it. JSL wiped Bird out before that. (No idea what he was thinking haha)

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Post by Captain » 23 Jul 2017, 22:20

InTheKnow wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:Catalan knock on j.s.l barges into greg bird bentham says to macca yes he did knock on first but even tho they knocked on he still has to have a chance to pick ball up ??
Yeh the ball is still live until Catalan or a Cas player drops on it. JSL wiped Bird out before that. (No idea what he was thinking haha)
I think he thought he would be the one to regather possession. Misread it I think, that's all.

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Re: Mcshane try

Post by Jazzman » 24 Jul 2017, 08:15

Hadn't Aiton already regathered it - in which case it was scrum Cas ball.

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