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Re: Stadium Update

Post by Dez » 19 Apr 2017, 18:59

Thanks for update Hudds. To cut to the chase if there extracting coal until March 2018 does that mean works will commenced then .

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Re: Stadium Update

Post by onetiger » 19 Apr 2017, 21:33

why keep asking about updates its been put back so many times i still cant see us getting this ground next statement will say put back to 2020 then 2022 cant ever see it getting built...its like the solomona statement and he is not leaving the club then hes gone .....

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Re: Stadium Update

Post by Matt » 19 Apr 2017, 21:35

onetiger wrote:why keep asking about updates its been put back so many times i still cant see us getting this ground next statement will say put back to 2020 then 2022 cant ever see it getting built...its like the solomona statement and he is not leaving the club then hes gone .....
Welcome to the world of bureaucracy. It takes time to go through applications then approve / return for review, plan the site and everything else that comes along with it.

If you want it built tomorrow move to Dubai, sure they'll have some slaves ready to get going when you arrive.
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Re: Stadium Update

Post by onetiger » 19 Apr 2017, 22:58

Matt wrote:
onetiger wrote:why keep asking about updates its been put back so many times i still cant see us getting this ground next statement will say put back to 2020 then 2022 cant ever see it getting built...its like the solomona statement and he is not leaving the club then hes gone .....
Welcome to the world of bureaucracy. It takes time to go through applications then approve / return for review, plan the site and everything else that comes along with it.

If you want it built tomorrow move to Dubai, sure they'll have some slaves ready to get going when you arrive.
matt been down this road before every thing was go a head at gh and nothing happend
we was told we waiting for this planning that planning and nothing came of it .im not alone on saying this will not happen.
just on the off chance it does get built i will be first to come say i was wrong and eat humble pie .

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Re: Stadium Update

Post by Robbo » 20 Apr 2017, 09:35

People pay far too much attention to dates.
The CEO gets dragged into saying what the fans want to hear and frankly its out of the clubs hands.

This is a long road and there may well be many twists and turns before arriving.

Coal extraction has now come back to haunt us and if that's running till April 2018 you have to say at least another 3 years .
The biggest concern to me is the 10 million budget to build has to be at least 30/40% out by now.
If following BREXIT we do have a slow down in retail/leisure etc we may have a further delay.

Its really hard for fans who want this to happen. I do for the sake of revenue and facilities because it will never have an atmosphere the same as we currently have.
For now enjoy the special times we are having because this could be the year of the Tiger.

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Re: Stadium Update

Post by Flat Capper » 20 Apr 2017, 12:11

Hopefully I can shed some light on the ins and outs:

The first significant phase is the commencement of the highways works required to open up the site for the construction of the retail park and stadium. These can (and I believe will) commence before the completion of the mineral extraction and subsequent earthworks.

Whilst the significant highway works are underway, it is my understanding the mineral extraction can begin and should be completed. They can then begin the site construction works in 2018.

I firmly believe we shall be playing our first game of the 2020 season in the new stadium.
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Re: Stadium Update

Post by Nu Shooze » 20 Apr 2017, 12:23

About time we had an update from Lateral.

They were very conspicuous and forthcoming when they needed support for the planning approval but been anonymous since. Echoes of a similar situation not too far away?

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Post by Danny Boy » 20 Apr 2017, 12:23

Flat Capper wrote:Hopefully I can shed some light on the ins and outs:

The first significant phase is the commencement of the highways works required to open up the site for the construction of the retail park and stadium. These can (and I believe will) commence before the completion of the mineral extraction and subsequent earthworks.

Whilst the significant highway works are underway, it is my understanding the mineral extraction can begin and should be completed. They can then begin the site construction works in 2018.

I firmly believe we shall be playing our first game of the 2020 season in the new stadium.
Thanks for clarification FC, it gives me much more hope now, as I'm confident that you know what you're talking about on this subject.
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Re: Stadium Update

Post by HuddsTigers » 20 Apr 2017, 12:36

Robbo wrote:People pay far too much attention to dates.
The CEO gets dragged into saying what the fans want to hear and frankly its out of the clubs hands.

This is a long road and there may well be many twists and turns before arriving.

Coal extraction has now come back to haunt us and if that's running till April 2018 you have to say at least another 3 years .
The biggest concern to me is the 10 million budget to build has to be at least 30/40% out by now.
If following BREXIT we do have a slow down in retail/leisure etc we may have a further delay.

Its really hard for fans who want this to happen. I do for the sake of revenue and facilities because it will never have an atmosphere the same as we currently have.
For now enjoy the special times we are having because this could be the year of the Tiger.

robbo
Robbo, the groundworks will be completed by the end of 2018. A year to build everything. We'll be in in 2020. The funding is already secured.
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Re: Stadium Update

Post by Shameless » 20 Apr 2017, 15:08

Robbo wrote: The biggest concern to me is the 10 million budget to build has to be at least 30/40% out by now.
If following BREXIT we do have a slow down in retail/leisure etc we may have a further delay.

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On the one hand Brexit is a threat as people may stop spending if the economy starts tanking and put the development at risk.
On the other hand if the economy does tank interest rates will have to stay low and in either case because of the devaluation of Sterling foreign funding of UK projects has suddenly become a lot cheaper.

I agree there is a risk but equally an opportunity as well.

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Re: Stadium Update

Post by lurcher » 20 Apr 2017, 23:24

passed today and some security guys were patrolling the site. that's the first time I've seen any so maybe some expensive equipment arriving soon.

just a quick question, who gets the money for the extracted coal? I'm guessing lateral.
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Re: Stadium Update

Post by Tigerade » 21 Apr 2017, 09:33

I would think it is Lateral Lurcher.

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Re: Stadium Update

Post by Robbo » 21 Apr 2017, 12:10

HuddsTigers wrote:
Robbo wrote:People pay far too much attention to dates.
The CEO gets dragged into saying what the fans want to hear and frankly its out of the clubs hands.

This is a long road and there may well be many twists and turns before arriving.

Coal extraction has now come back to haunt us and if that's running till April 2018 you have to say at least another 3 years .
The biggest concern to me is the 10 million budget to build has to be at least 30/40% out by now.
If following BREXIT we do have a slow down in retail/leisure etc we may have a further delay.

Its really hard for fans who want this to happen. I do for the sake of revenue and facilities because it will never have an atmosphere the same as we currently have.
For now enjoy the special times we are having because this could be the year of the Tiger.

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Robbo, the groundworks will be completed by the end of 2018. A year to build everything. We'll be in in 2020. The funding is already secured.
with the greatest respect that's not going to happen
1) You are suggesting we start building in January 2019 !!!!!
2) You suggest all building is done in 12 months ?

That includes getting a playing surface down ready for February.

THAT SIMPLY CANNOT HAPPEN.

The timescales are far too tight.
Talk to a project manager and see if this is possible.

Setting these dates leads to frustration.

The funding issue ........well that's another story but you are 100% wrong.

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Re: Stadium Update

Post by St Albans tiger » 21 Apr 2017, 12:28

You are wrong - I am right. Anyone else spot a trend

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Re: Stadium Update

Post by TT Tiger » 21 Apr 2017, 12:39

St Albans tiger wrote:You are wrong - I am right. Anyone else spot a trend
No, you must be wrong! ](*,)

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Re: Stadium Update

Post by HuddsTigers » 21 Apr 2017, 12:58

Robbo wrote:
HuddsTigers wrote:
Robbo wrote:People pay far too much attention to dates.
The CEO gets dragged into saying what the fans want to hear and frankly its out of the clubs hands.

This is a long road and there may well be many twists and turns before arriving.

Coal extraction has now come back to haunt us and if that's running till April 2018 you have to say at least another 3 years .
The biggest concern to me is the 10 million budget to build has to be at least 30/40% out by now.
If following BREXIT we do have a slow down in retail/leisure etc we may have a further delay.

Its really hard for fans who want this to happen. I do for the sake of revenue and facilities because it will never have an atmosphere the same as we currently have.
For now enjoy the special times we are having because this could be the year of the Tiger.

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Robbo, the groundworks will be completed by the end of 2018. A year to build everything. We'll be in in 2020. The funding is already secured.
with the greatest respect that's not going to happen
1) You are suggesting we start building in January 2019 !!!!!
2) You suggest all building is done in 12 months ?

That includes getting a playing surface down ready for February.

THAT SIMPLY CANNOT HAPPEN.

The timescales are far too tight.
Talk to a project manager and see if this is possible.

Setting these dates leads to frustration.

The funding issue ........well that's another story but you are 100% wrong.

Robbo

With all due respect, the one Waystone was building had a build time of 40-odd weeks. And 2020 is a big long year of 12 months too Robbo. So, yes, I believe the timeframes are completely feasible.

The quote is that we'll be in for 2020, not necessarily for the start of 2020. And yes, once building commences and the structure starts taking shape, the pitch can be marked out and sewn in, I'm sure of that.

I would also point out that for the Langtree Park stadium it took 14 months including groundworks (August 2010 to October 2011). As the groundworks are being done in 2018 for the entire site, I'd expect the timetable to be considerably less for a ground of a smaller size.

Halliwell-Jones Stadium had a build time schedule of 45 weeks.

Moreover, as the planning application is for the entire site, it's talking about the timetable for the entire site groundworks being completed. There is no information to suggest that building cannot take place on the stadium side while the rest of the retail site is prepared.

The funding is is in place - it has been underwritten a pension fund. This was in the planning application.
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Re: Stadium Update

Post by The Fox » 21 Apr 2017, 14:15

To back up Hudds above.

Also pretty certain that the Chesterfield football stadium (which I think is of a similar size and shape) had a build timescale of 48 weeks.

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Post by fast hands » 21 Apr 2017, 15:10

The Fox wrote:To back up Hudds above.

Also pretty certain that the Chesterfield football stadium (which I think is of a similar size and shape) had a build timescale of 48 weeks.
Do we expect a 4 year build then. I have seen and been involved in larger constructions than this and if the right people are in charge of the completion, there should be no problem.
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Re: Stadium Update

Post by lurcher » 21 Apr 2017, 15:21

a few years ago I was doing deliveries to some new schools that were being built and without exception it was the pitches that were started first. to let them settle and bed in.
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Re: Stadium Update

Post by fast hands » 21 Apr 2017, 16:05

lurcher wrote:a few years ago I was doing deliveries to some new schools that were being built and without exception it was the pitches that were started first. to let them settle and bed in.
Correct lurcher, were these schools in the Barnsley area, if so these were the ones I was involved with, then moved over to the dark side on schools there , and playing fields were the first thing to get going so as they were ready when construction was completed.

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