Kieran Gill joins Newcastle on loan for season

[Lofthouse Tiger]

So who do you think we have that are better than their opposite number at Wigan?

[HuddsTigers]

Luke Gale is definitely better than Sam Powell. McShane is better than Leuluai.

[Lofthouse Tiger]

Just the 2 then?

This shows in reality how far we are away from being a real quality side that will win things. Runners up and semi finLs may be ok for a short time but do we think we can/will win a trophy in the next 2 seasons with the lack of out and out quality in the team?

Saints and Wigan will be there again as usual. Saints have added 2 top players to last year and Wigan still have a strong squad even though they lost a couple.

Even Leeds are signing better players for next season and Warrington won’t be far away although it won’t be their year again.

In my view this will make finishing in the top 4 harder than the last 2 years. If we can’t shake off the bottlers tag we seem to have acquired then what do we think we can achieve in 2019?

[braytontiger]

So who do you think we have that are better than their opposite number at Wigan?

Gale
Watts
McShane
Moors

Whilst Shenton,Holmes,trueman would be on par with there opposite.

All means nothing unless your on a computer game

[flow]

Nothing in less sign some attacking. Backs and another big nasty prop with some impact if we go we squad we got 7th or 8th in past we would be happy we that but fans expect to build on last years success but apparently no signings like the nineties again get left behind

[Lofthouse Tiger]

Whilst I agree with Gale and McShane I do t see anyone else at the moment that is better. Watts is potentially better and Moors has dropped back a bit mainly through injury. JSL was devastating with the ball on the outside yet he was moved to prop. Not a good move for me at all.

Whilst I have always been a big fan of Shenny I feel he is almost at the end of his career now and didn’t have his usual kind of impact this year.

[HuddsTigers]

Just the 2 then?

This shows in reality how far we are away from being a real quality side that will win things. Runners up and semi finLs may be ok for a short time but do we think we can/will win a trophy in the next 2 seasons with the lack of out and out quality in the team?

Saints and Wigan will be there again as usual. Saints have added 2 top players to last year and Wigan still have a strong squad even though they lost a couple.

Even Leeds are signing better players for next season and Warrington won’t be far away although it won’t be their year again.

In my view this will make finishing in the top 4 harder than the last 2 years. If we can’t shake off the bottlers tag we seem to have acquired then what do we think we can achieve in 2019?

I named the first two I could think of. I don’t think there’s too much between Shenton and Gildart and Eden is a fantastic winger on his day.

I’d say that Trueman could be better than Williams (who seems to be overhyped because he plays for Wigan). There’s an argument that we have better subs and fringe players (Id take Moors/Cook/Clark over Tautai and Hamlin for example).

Wigan have a better starting 13 as the semi shows. But when we perform we can be just as good, if not better.

[Lofthouse Tiger]

Could be better isn’t better is it Hudds?

On his day could be said about many people also but the ones that are “On his day” more often are clearly the better players.

The way Wigan defended against us in the semi showed for me that they have a better back line because we failed to breach it and didn’t really get close.

I would bet with anyone that Wigan will finish above Cas and will be closer to winning a trophy next year than we will based on the squads we have.

[tigerfeat]

My worry for the next two years isn't the backs if we sign sau or another good centre
Mata'utia
Minikin
Good centre
Shenny
Eden
Trueman
Gale
Would do for me
The forwards have to get on top over there opponents you can't win owt unless your forwards take control in big games but if they can do that no reason we can't win the grand final in next two years

[HuddsTigers]

Could be better isn’t better is it Hudds?

On his day could be said about many people also but the ones that are “On his day” more often are clearly the better players.

The way Wigan defended against us in the semi showed for me that they have a better back line because we failed to breach it and didn’t really get close.

I would bet with anyone that Wigan will finish above Cas and will be closer to winning a trophy next year than we will based on the squads we have.

Trueman had a good first year - he was better than Williams last year. But he’s very much still at the potential stage and needs to back it up again this year. You can’t judge to say he’s better until he’s played consistently at this level.

It’s like making a judgment on a new player after two games rather than waiting for a full season. You can’t do it.

Or are you saying you would have Williams over Trueman?

As for the on his day comment, like all wingers he can have stinkers. Would he get the same opportunities at Wigan? Probably not. And that’s another factor to take into account. Is it that the players are good at executing the Shaun Wane game plan? But are they agile? How will they adapt this season under a new coach? You could argue better players perform no matter what the system. And everyone will have their own view on what makes a better or good player too.

[Mysterio]

Could be better isn’t better is it Hudds?

On his day could be said about many people also but the ones that are “On his day” more often are clearly the better players.

The way Wigan defended against us in the semi showed for me that they have a better back line because we failed to breach it and didn’t really get close.

I would bet with anyone that Wigan will finish above Cas and will be closer to winning a trophy next year than we will based on the squads we have.

Trueman had a good first year - he was better than Williams last year. But he’s very much still at the potential stage and needs to back it up again this year. You can’t judge to say he’s better until he’s played consistently at this level.

It’s like making a judgment on a new player after two games rather than waiting for a full season. You can’t do it.

Or are you saying you would have Williams over Trueman?

As for the on his day comment, like all wingers he can have stinkers. Would he get the same opportunities at Wigan? Probably not. And that’s another factor to take into account. Is it that the players are good at executing the Shaun Wane game plan? But are they agile? How will they adapt this season under a new coach? You could argue better players perform no matter what the system. And everyone will have their own view on what makes a better or good player too.

Anyone who says (and believes) Trueman is better than Williams, or even had a better season than him overall last year, she/he is mentally ill IMB.

The Wigan wingers are better than the Castleford Wingers too, and that includes Eden! Jeez. I mean I know some cas fans fail to see the bigger picture, but it’s obvious.

Trueman had a good year, yes, by the way.

[gateman]

Wigan produce their talent and give them a chance to prove themselves , last year we let two of our under 19s internationals go for one reason or the other, both will feature this year in Leeds and Warrington colours , would Trueman had is chance with out our long injurie list may be NOT

[John]

Wigan produce their talent and give them a chance to prove themselves , last year we let two of our under 19s internationals go for one reason or the other, both will feature this year in Leeds and Warrington colours , would Trueman had is chance with out our long injurie list may be NOT

Your spot on johnson went as dp said he would never play super league had the lads in tears as for mc cleland as i think you are refering too dont rate the lad had a bad season for the 19s he always wants to be the 1 in fav but trueman took that roll and he was not happy yes played for England but not very good apart from his drop goal won the game but dont mean he had a good game the lad might come good but i have my doughts the only 1st team players not to get a chance this year with numbers was ashton and oneill ashton cant see him ever playing for cas as for oneill a very different story do not know why cas have not revieled the lad sign 1 year and been told thats the best deal for him as he dont want to be like gill and douglas not getting a chance we have to trust in our youth or pack in the u19s

[Tamworth Tiger]

Could be better isn’t better is it Hudds?

On his day could be said about many people also but the ones that are “On his day” more often are clearly the better players.

The way Wigan defended against us in the semi showed for me that they have a better back line because we failed to breach it and didn’t really get close.

I would bet with anyone that Wigan will finish above Cas and will be closer to winning a trophy next year than we will based on the squads we have.

Trueman had a good first year - he was better than Williams last year. But he’s very much still at the potential stage and needs to back it up again this year. You can’t judge to say he’s better until he’s played consistently at this level.

It’s like making a judgment on a new player after two games rather than waiting for a full season. You can’t do it.

Or are you saying you would have Williams over Trueman?

As for the on his day comment, like all wingers he can have stinkers. Would he get the same opportunities at Wigan? Probably not. And that’s another factor to take into account. Is it that the players are good at executing the Shaun Wane game plan? But are they agile? How will they adapt this season under a new coach? You could argue better players perform no matter what the system. And everyone will have their own view on what makes a better or good player too.

Anyone who says (and believes) Trueman is better than Williams, or even had a better season than him overall last year, she/he is mentally ill IMB.

Glad to see you subscribe to the ‘State of Mind’ initiative (not)

[Oldcasman]

Could be better isn’t better is it Hudds?

On his day could be said about many people also but the ones that are “On his day” more often are clearly the better players.

The way Wigan defended against us in the semi showed for me that they have a better back line because we failed to breach it and didn’t really get close.

I would bet with anyone that Wigan will finish above Cas and will be closer to winning a trophy next year than we will based on the squads we have.

Trueman had a good first year - he was better than Williams last year. But he’s very much still at the potential stage and needs to back it up again this year. You can’t judge to say he’s better until he’s played consistently at this level.

It’s like making a judgment on a new player after two games rather than waiting for a full season. You can’t do it.

Or are you saying you would have Williams over Trueman?

As for the on his day comment, like all wingers he can have stinkers. Would he get the same opportunities at Wigan? Probably not. And that’s another factor to take into account. Is it that the players are good at executing the Shaun Wane game plan? But are they agile? How will they adapt this season under a new coach? You could argue better players perform no matter what the system. And everyone will have their own view on what makes a better or good player too.

Anyone who says (and believes) Trueman is better than Williams, or even had a better season than him overall last year, she/he is mentally ill IMB.

The Wigan wingers are better than the Castleford Wingers too, and that includes Eden! Jeez. I mean I know some cas fans fail to see the bigger picture, but it’s obvious.

Trueman had a good year, yes, by the way.

I thought I was on my own thinking Williams is far in front of Trueman but it’s fair to say he is young and he should develop into a top player but at the moment Williams is far the better player

[Lofthouse Tiger]

Before anyone has a pop at others regards Williams or Trueman just look at who it was that said Trueman is/was better. Then look at how many agree?

All entitled to our views so don’t read too much into one persons view. :dance: :dance: :dance:

[tigerfeat]

Il be disappointed if trueman not a lot better than Williams in two or three years he's a kid I think could be special...but obviously not at Williams level yet

[braytontiger]

It's a bit harsh trying to judge trueman against George Williams who regardless of what people think of him he's a international quality half back, truey could well develop into one himself. He now has to overcome second season syndrome which I'm confident he will given he's a quiet level headed young man. Outstanding talent

[braytontiger]

Wigan produce their talent and give them a chance to prove themselves , last year we let two of our under 19s internationals go for one reason or the other, both will feature this year in Leeds and Warrington colours , would Trueman had is chance with out our long injurie list may be NOT

Your spot on johnson went as dp said he would never play super league had the lads in tears as for mc cleland as i think you are refering too dont rate the lad had a bad season for the 19s he always wants to be the 1 in fav but trueman took that roll and he was not happy yes played for England but not very good apart from his drop goal won the game but dont mean he had a good game the lad might come good but i have my doughts the only 1st team players not to get a chance this year with numbers was ashton and oneill ashton cant see him ever playing for cas as for oneill a very different story do not know why cas have not revieled the lad sign 1 year and been told thats the best deal for him as he dont want to be like gill and douglas not getting a chance we have to trust in our youth or pack in the u19s

Agree with all the above in particular about mclelland,holds himself in very high esteem yet hasn't backed it up from the age of 15 yet he's one of the in crowd regards his agent, IMO he was 3rd best half back for the 19s in 2017 and he knew it that's why he got out when the opportunity to union came up as he hated not been first choice.

[HuddsTigers]

All I will say to compare is that Trueman scored more tries than Williams and almost as many assists playing in a side without a recognised full back, and no half back partner for the majority of the season. Williams meanwhile did and had players like Tomkins and Leuluai around him.

If he’s that good now, how good will he be in a few years.

I think Williams is a decent player but I have seen nothing in recent years to suggest he’s as good as made out to be. He was better 2 seasons ago IMO. So yeah, I think Trueman had a better season last year because he showed maturity beyond his years, led with leadership and ability, and put in some quality performances to boot. I did say that he would have to back it up but if I was as “biased” as being claimed, I wouldn’t have named only 3/4 players as being better.

PS, to talk about mental illness like that is sick to be honest. Having a differing opinion doesn’t make someone mentally ill - you shouldn’t trivialise something which is serious. The latest in a series of quite frankly, disgusting posts.