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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:55 pm
by alftupper
WF10 wrote:I'm unclear why you've brought Pakistan up?


To illustrate why you shouldn’t really compare murder rates in differing countries because their different cultures and customs mean they have naturally higher murder rates

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:56 pm
by WF10
CasRus wrote:
Flat Capper wrote:
CasRus wrote: So you don't think Capital Punishment, Chain gangs harsher sentences would stop the level of murders, stabbings, drug running etc etc ??????
You need to climb back in your box for dumbos and go back to sleep !


alftupper wrote: Just reading about the recent case in America where the bloke killed his wife and two little girls then dumbed them in a tank of oil like rubbish. He then tried to blame the wife he murdered. These are the type of people Capper and his kind have empathy with. What a warped mind.


alftupper wrote: not really it’s just that your posts are incoherent. Several times on this topic you have written one thing only to later try to wheedle your way out of it just like in this instance. I said it is good to terminate a murderer, you said that means ‘the innocent are killed on both sides’
very hard to follow your gibberish Capper


Just to clear things up for you idiots, I do not empathise with murderers; I want them dealt with through a judicial system that is fair and which supports victims but punishes the guilty. In the case of capital punishment, you have already acknowledged that killing the odd innocent individual, wrongly convicted, is a price worth paying. This view disgusts me and every other right minded human being. It must take a truly warped mind to believe in this system.
On capital punishment itself, there is no evidence to support the claim that it acts as a deterrent and is therefore neither use nor ornament. It simply cannot be justified for the reason above.

I would actually like to see a system where convicted murderers are kept in prisons that are not plushy hotels, with many luxuries the majority cannot afford. I want difficult conditions that create misery for the rest of their God forsaken lives. Where wrong convictions are exposed, the ‘victims’ can then be adequately compensated for their incorrect suffering.


So Capper, answer this, what was the point of incarcerating Ian Brady and Myrah Hindley for all thise years costing millions of pounds to the taxpayer with no worth to society anymore when they had clearly murdered those youngsters and left grieving families with one body never ever found and his mother died grieving after many years of grief !? Reading your response to me, your suggestion is to make an adequate compensation to the grieivng families which is what ? Monetary I take it to be what you mean ! Well let me tell you that no money in the world would be enough to compensate their loss of their children and to think that s an astonishing affront ! Don't you think that the millions of pounds it cost to keep them in ail would have been better spent in the NHS saving innocent lives and helping crippled kids ? I do ! Your thinking is totally flawed !

In answer to your question on being disgusted, I already said DNA advancements is virtually foolproof and like I also said, nothing is totally foolproof, but you line up harsher deterrants and methods and you will see the crime rate drop - just like the police knocking scumbags off mopeds that has dropped this type of crime already by 30%. Better to save many murders going on by CP deterrant and yes there can be an odd mishap but look how many lives this deterrant would help not being wiped out and leave families grieving for the rest of their lives. It's a price worth paying for the risk of accidentally hanging an innocent - and by the way that should only happen if it's beyond doubt proved by DNA I would say. If you don't think CP is a deterrant, go look at Saudi Arabia's murder figures with the beheading deterrant per capita, it's minimal and only a handful !! So don't think CP is a deterrant then think again, because it is !


For the God-knows-how-many-th time.

Your buddy Rus encouraged me to "look at Saudi Arabia's murder figures" assuming it would be "minimal and only a handful !!"

It's actually higher than the UK (per 100,000 inhabitants).

So you'll need to ask him why he wanted to compare the murder rates in the UK with Saudi Arabia. Not me.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:53 pm
by Flat Capper
Well I've been away over the Christmas break but certainly haven't missed the codswollop on here.

Happy New Year dear friends...

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:12 pm
by alftupper
Sick to death of all the bleating regarding universal credit. Just watching a news report brought it home to me, some woman moaning about it as she scrolled through her phone which showed monthly payments of around £1,200!

As someone who’s never claimed a penny in benefit I don’t think my personal pride would allow me to. These people should be grateful that they live a taxpayer funded lifestyle. Infuriating.

Happy New Year

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:45 pm
by WF10
OK.

Bit weird 8-[

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:32 pm
by Flat Capper
alftupper wrote:Sick to death of all the bleating regarding universal credit. Just watching a news report brought it home to me, some woman moaning about it as she scrolled through her phone which showed monthly payments of around £1,200!

As someone who’s never claimed a penny in benefit I don’t think my personal pride would allow me to. These people should be grateful that they live a taxpayer funded lifestyle. Infuriating.

Happy New Year


You may be surprised to learn I'm not one of those that simply believes UC is a complete waste of time. My thought are more good idea, badly executed. There are certainly some cases where the new system has caused immense problems for individuals but the benefit system of the UK does need re-aligning to help encourage folk into work.

At the moment it is a bit like the unfair tax system that allows the wealthy to avoid paying their fair share but in reverse. Sort them both out and we wouldn't have a deficit.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:09 pm
by alftupper
Hello, the Labour Party has just had a record fine imposed by the Electoral Commission for failing to accurately disclose donations

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:39 pm
by WF10
alftupper wrote:Hello, the Labour Party has just had a record fine imposed by the Electoral Commission for failing to accurately disclose donations


Where's this?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:41 pm
by alftupper
an interesting evening ahead...

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:09 pm
by WF10
Surely she's got to go now?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:27 pm
by alftupper
WF10 wrote:Surely she's got to go now?


Not sure what Corbyn’s vote of no confidence will achieve, there isn’t a single Tory that will vote against this government and with the DUP pledging their support then it’s a waste of time as far as I can see

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:04 pm
by WF10
I think he had to do it, if he didn't one of the other leaders (Blackford most likely) would have?

If she can’t achieve any form of alternate deal even with cross party consultation then you keep having no confidence votes until mps realise they have to vote against her.

It’s going to get messy. And it might take a while. But that’s probably good for Labour.

This government will eventually fall.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:18 pm
by alftupper
Of course it will fall as all governments do, I only hope when it happens it is not Corbyn walking into no.10

It will now be interesting to see if the EU negotiators blink first and renegotiate the deal, let’s not forget they sell us much more than we sell to them

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:18 am
by CasRus
She's tried !......and failed !

Let's face it ! No one was ever going to get a deal acceptable as there's too many forces pulling one way and the other.

An anti democratic Second Referendum could lead to anarchy and breakdown of society !

Calling an election wouldn't solve the issues of Brexit and I suspect Labour would lose by more margin as most of the country wanted that deal done to get on with it even though there was a massive trap and Labour have not got any position on Brexit and what to do as they still vehemently still sit on the fence !

I can't see the EU softening but may do at the very last moment on the run up to March 29 in playing a brinkmanship game but that's not a given !

Looks like we are screwed guys and on top of that there are severe warnings of a financial meltdown coming and money could be rendered useless with whats going on in China/USA relations as well as Brexit ! Hope you guys are considering putting some of your savings into gold as a hedge !

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:40 am
by alftupper
CasRus wrote:Hope you guys are considering putting some of your savings into gold as a hedge !


I don’t think it’s time to panic just yet but not a bad idea to spread your assets.

Didn’t ‘no more boom bust’ Brown flog all our gold reserves of at a knock down price?