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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 12:58
by WF10
That's the point, dim-wit.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 13:02
by alftupper
WF10 wrote:That's the point, dim-wit.
They haven’t been given the powers to kill people you clown

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 13:21
by WF10
Just ram their cars into people on mopeds they suspect to have committed a crime. Sound.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 14:14
by Flat Capper
alftupper wrote:
WF10 wrote:That's the point, dim-wit.
They haven’t been given the powers to kill people you clown
Am I safe to assume that should one of these incidents result in the death of the scooter rider, you will take the route of defending the Police Officer for doing their job and it's the fault of the scooter rider for partaking in such activities?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 04 Dec 2018, 14:20
by WF10
Flat Capper wrote:
alftupper wrote:
WF10 wrote:That's the point, dim-wit.
They haven’t been given the powers to kill people you clown
Am I safe to assume that should one of these incidents result in the death of the scooter rider, you will take the route of defending the Police Officer for doing their job and it's the fault of the scooter rider for partaking in such activities?
Haven't you heard Capper?
Police can act as judge, jury & potential executioner now.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 11:14
by alftupper
Flat Capper wrote:
alftupper wrote:
WF10 wrote:That's the point, dim-wit.
They haven’t been given the powers to kill people you clown
Am I safe to assume that should one of these incidents result in the death of the scooter rider, you will take the route of defending the Police Officer for doing their job and it's the fault of the scooter rider for partaking in such activities?
if said individual had just robbed me or my family at knifepoint I would take said officer out and buy him a pint and a slap up meal.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 13:21
by WF10
Does your carer know you have internet access?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 13:37
by alftupper
why the insults?

ironic that I was earlier called a keyboard warrior

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 13:52
by WF10
The fact that you'd congratulate someone for killing a person. Clearly the work of someone not quite all there.

And come off it Alf, as if I've not been insulted in this thread! :lol:

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 15:35
by alftupper
WF10 wrote:The fact that you'd congratulate someone for killing a person. Clearly the work of someone not quite all there.
We clearly have differing opinions but there’s no need for insults insinuating mental illness because of it. I could easily argue that anyone who wouldn’t celebrate hanging the likes of Ian Brady etc etc would ‘not quite be all there’

You are the criminals friend and would prefer them to escape capture and go on to kill their next victim rather than see them get battered and bruised in a collision. I totally disagree but that’s your opinion and it is clear from these last few pages where your sympathies lay and it’s not with the victims. I couldn’t disagree more.

I believe in ridding society of rubbish not wasting time and resources trying to rehabilitate them.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 16:35
by CasRus
alftupper wrote:
WF10 wrote:The fact that you'd congratulate someone for killing a person. Clearly the work of someone not quite all there.
We clearly have differing opinions but there’s no need for insults insinuating mental illness because of it. I could easily argue that anyone who wouldn’t celebrate hanging the likes of Ian Brady etc etc would ‘not quite be all there’

You are the criminals friend and would prefer them to escape capture and go on to kill their next victim rather than see them get battered and bruised in a collision. I totally disagree but that’s your opinion and it is clear from these last few pages where your sympathies lay and it’s not with the victims. I couldn’t disagree more.

I believe in ridding society of rubbish not wasting time and resources trying to rehabilitate them.

Exactly my thoughts Alf - WF10 would finish up in a world of stress and pain on the doctrine and pretence he adheres to which is the way it's unfortunately going at this point in time and that's the reason the Police are having to resort to stronger tactics as much as it is considered extreme in keeping this world a safer place.

I wonder what WF10's opinion would be if his baby daughter was smashed into by these moped scumbags and she finished up in a wheelchair for the rest of her life !!!! That's the type of risk they pose so, I'd rather them get hospitalized rather than inncocent kids art risk.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 17:23
by WF10
CasRus wrote:
alftupper wrote:
WF10 wrote:The fact that you'd congratulate someone for killing a person. Clearly the work of someone not quite all there.
We clearly have differing opinions but there’s no need for insults insinuating mental illness because of it. I could easily argue that anyone who wouldn’t celebrate hanging the likes of Ian Brady etc etc would ‘not quite be all there’

You are the criminals friend and would prefer them to escape capture and go on to kill their next victim rather than see them get battered and bruised in a collision. I totally disagree but that’s your opinion and it is clear from these last few pages where your sympathies lay and it’s not with the victims. I couldn’t disagree more.

I believe in ridding society of rubbish not wasting time and resources trying to rehabilitate them.

Exactly my thoughts Alf - WF10 would finish up in a world of stress and pain on the doctrine and pretence he adheres to which is the way it's unfortunately going at this point in time and that's the reason the Police are having to resort to stronger tactics as much as it is considered extreme in keeping this world a safer place.

I wonder what WF10's opinion would be if his baby daughter was smashed into by these moped scumbags and she finished up in a wheelchair for the rest of her life !!!! That's the type of risk they pose so, I'd rather them get hospitalized rather than inncocent kids art risk.
As stated on page 47
I feel the policy is flawed - if they can get close enough to knock them off they can get close enough to stop them.

No issue with criminals being caught, arrested, put on trial & sentenced to prison.

I do have an issue with the police ramming their car into people on mopeds.

The police should have an issue with it themselves, especially when you consider the actual role of the police (below)

The police have core operational duties which include:

protecting lifeand property
preserving order
preventing the commission of offences
bringing offenders to justice.


Can you see the contradiction?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 17:50
by CasRus
Protecting Life and Property - "of Law Abiding Citizens" should be added in my book !

All bets should be off if people to wish to go to the dark side ! They don't give a rat's arse who gets injured or killed so these Police principles should not apply to these scumbags ! Live by the sword, die by the sword if this happens in my book - I don't give a rats arse if they don't, which is what they do, so why defend them WF10 ? contradiction "needs" to be sorted properly ! - Note Police have been trained to knock them off with minimum injury but if they are maimed for life or killed, they know the consequences of their actions ! Try telling your reasoning to the family members remaining after that car chase 4 weeks ago when a family got wiped out with 2 kids in a head on collision with those 17 year old scumbags !

When you have finished having a go at Police tactics which you remain adamant on continuing, I am sure they will have exhausted all means of methods in stopping this crimewave so I'm sure they would have thought this out but nothing is ever foolproof with criminal's changing their methods to leech off society ! If you were in bed covered in bed lice and lay there flicking them off only for them to shake themselves down, jump back on you and proliferate and make your life a misery, you would soon come round to resorting to killing them off with a treatment ! So what's different ! Just because it's a human we are talking about in comparison would contradict your look on all type of life !

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 17:51
by CasRus
Protecting Life and Property - "of Law Abiding Citizens" should be added in my book !

All bets should be off if people to wish to go to the dark side ! They don't give a rat's arse who gets injured or killed so these Police principles should not apply to these scumbags ! Live by the sword, die by the sword if this happens in my book - I don't give a rats arse if they don't, which is what they do, so why defend them WF10 ? contradiction "needs" to be sorted properly ! - Note Police have been trained to knock them off with minimum injury but if they are maimed for life or killed, they know the consequences of their actions ! Try telling your reasoning to the family members remaining after that car chase 4 weeks ago when a family got wiped out with 2 kids in a head on collision with those 17 year old scumbags !

When you have finished having a go at Police tactics which you remain adamant on continuing, I am sure they will have exhausted all means of methods in stopping this crimewave so I'm sure they would have thought this out but nothing is ever foolproof with criminal's changing their methods to leech off society ! If you were in bed covered in bed lice and lay there flicking them off only for them to shake themselves down, jump back on you and proliferate and make your life a misery, you would soon come round to resorting to killing them off with a treatment ! So what's different ! Just because it's a human we are talking about in comparison would contradict your look on all type of life !

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 18:26
by Flat Capper
Gents, I've got to say you've lost the plot.

Firstly, if the Police are only protecting "law abiding citizens" you're probably ruling yourself out of protect. Have you ever broken the speed limit, parked illegally, bought an alcoholic drink below the age of 18 or even used foul language in a public space that is likely to have offended someone within earshot? There are many laws that most folk aren't aware of and even less likely to know whether they've broken them.

Secondly, in my books wanting someone killed for whatever reason makes you no better than the so called criminals themselves. Giving the Police cart blanche to kill someone by ramming them with a patrol car is certainly not what I would expect in a civilised country.

Punishing convicted criminals through adequate sentencing however does have a place in a civilised society.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 18:42
by alftupper
WF10 wrote:
As stated on page 47
I feel the policy is flawed - if they can get close enough to knock them off they can get close enough to stop them.
You are basically saying you know better than the police then, thanks but I’ll go with their judgement on this one.

They are getting close to them during a high speed pursuit, tell us how they should apprehend them

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 18:50
by alftupper
Flat Capper wrote:Gents, I've got to say you've lost the plot.

Firstly, if the Police are only protecting "law abiding citizens" you're probably ruling yourself out of protect. Have you ever broken the speed limit, parked illegally, bought an alcoholic drink below the age of 18 or even used foul language in a public space that is likely to have offended someone within earshot? There are many laws that most folk aren't aware of and even less likely to know whether they've broken them.

Secondly, in my books wanting someone killed for whatever reason makes you no better than the so called criminals themselves. Giving the Police cart blanche to kill someone by ramming them with a patrol car is certainly not what I would expect in a civilised country.

Punishing convicted criminals through adequate sentencing however does have a place in a civilised society.
Good grief is that your contribution? Some semantics on law abiding citizens how petty. The none violent knife wielding members of society. Happy now... although I’m braced for some comment about my cutlery drawer.

Also approximately 50% of the UK population support the reintroduction of capital punishment so you have just written off half the country as ‘no better than criminals’

Classic Capper, thanks for your interjection :roll:

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 19:55
by WF10
alftupper wrote:
WF10 wrote:
As stated on page 47
I feel the policy is flawed - if they can get close enough to knock them off they can get close enough to stop them.
You are basically saying you know better than the police then, thanks but I’ll go with their judgement on this one.

They are getting close to them during a high speed pursuit, tell us how they should apprehend them
Last thing I'm going to say on this because it's actually driving me up the wall.

To re-iterate.
Role of the police
The police have core operational duties which include:

protecting life and property


Police use of force
Whenever the use of force is necessary, both the general public and members of the police service expect police forces to:

respect and protect human life, and minimise damage and injury

I don't see how they can achieve the above through the adoption of this policy.

Fin.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 05 Dec 2018, 20:00
by CasRus
Flatcapper, this is your quote:-

"Secondly, in my books wanting someone killed for whatever reason makes you no better than the so called criminals themselves. Giving the Police cart blanche to kill someone by ramming them with a patrol car is certainly not what I would expect in a civilised country"

Now, you are ludicrously totally wrong on this comment making an accusation of WANTING someone killed - Who has said that ! What I have said ultimately is that "if" the result of a ramming leads to a maiming or a death of a criminal - it has been their choice to act in a way that endangers other citizens to either a maiming or death and they in turn are putting themselves at similar risk by the action the Police are now undertaking. Like for Like ! They are the instigators not the Police ! Simples !

Capital Punishment - kill someone expect the same ! What's not to understand in that ! They are the instigators so why would they expect a few years in prison while they have terminated someone and left a whole lot of suffering for their family to endure for the rest of their lives ! And, by the way, it costs a fortune of taxpayers for them to remain in jail and they do not have any contribution to make to society and will die eventually anyway ! So what's not to understand in that ! Make the punishments draconian and it would also solve prison overcrowding and lead to less prisons where we could help the rest of civilised community where it's needed like the NHS. Is this not common sense ? And before you say why CP was removed because of wrong people being hanged - DNA has made huge advances to more or less ident the killers of today.

In my book, To every action, there should be an equal and opposite reaction - that's a law in Physics by the way so why not apply it to human actions !


Flatcapper , I wonder if you would be of the same opinion if something dreadful happened to your nearest and dearest by the actions of a scumbag !

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 06 Dec 2018, 13:32
by Flat Capper
alftupper wrote:
Flat Capper wrote:Gents, I've got to say you've lost the plot.

Firstly, if the Police are only protecting "law abiding citizens" you're probably ruling yourself out of protect. Have you ever broken the speed limit, parked illegally, bought an alcoholic drink below the age of 18 or even used foul language in a public space that is likely to have offended someone within earshot? There are many laws that most folk aren't aware of and even less likely to know whether they've broken them.

Secondly, in my books wanting someone killed for whatever reason makes you no better than the so called criminals themselves. Giving the Police cart blanche to kill someone by ramming them with a patrol car is certainly not what I would expect in a civilised country.

Punishing convicted criminals through adequate sentencing however does have a place in a civilised society.
Good grief is that your contribution? Some semantics on law abiding citizens how petty. The none violent knife wielding members of society. Happy now... although I’m braced for some comment about my cutlery drawer.

Also approximately 50% of the UK population support the reintroduction of capital punishment so you have just written off half the country as ‘no better than criminals’

Classic Capper, thanks for your interjection :roll:
Classic Alf, dismisses the opposing view simply because the truth hurts!

Have you written the other 50% off as namby pamby lefties and therefore don't deserve the right to comment? History tells us that capital punishment also kills the innocent but I guess they don't matter?

Anyway, just to emphasise the point again, someone that has gone through the courts and been found guilty by a jury of their peers is then subject to the sentencing regime that is in place. A motorcycle rider being chased by the Police hasn't been subject to the due legal process and that allows corrupt Police officers (of which there have been many over the years) to take matters into their own hands. For the Police to remain at the panicle of law enforcement they need to be whiter than white or they simply lose respect. They should never be regarded as above the law.