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Post by WF10 » 07 Apr 2018, 10:11

WF10 wrote:Corbyn wasn't fully briefed. That's about the top and bottom of it.
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CasRus wrote:Give a f..kin break WF10 !!! Corbyn wasn't fully briefed.....ha ha ha ha !

You will make excuses for anything ! - You'd probably make an excuse that if Putin invaded us, he'd make the excuse that Theresa May wasn't looking after us very well and was only listening to Uncle Lieutenant Jeremy's call for help anyway !!!
Erm... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... telligence

Ben Wallace, the security minister, said the number of people entrusted with the most sensitive details of the case should be deliberately kept small. The Labour party leader has received an intelligence briefing on privy council terms, but was not given the same access to highly classified information as David Cameron provided to Ed Miliband over Syria in 2013.

However, the minister defended the decision to restrict the intelligence Corbyn was given access to,

“The decision of what to share was made and I wasn’t privy to what he was allowed to see, but it would have been made in a reasoned environment where people wanted to show him evidence.

“He can always dispute that; it’s not about him being helpful, he doesn’t have to be helpful, he can be critical and say whatever he likes, he is leader of the opposition and has a perfect right [to] – and he should – question the government”.
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Post by CasRus » 07 Apr 2018, 11:15

Regardless, Corbyn's track record over many years tells you he would have been and would be unfit to lead this country from a security standpoint - His nuclear disarmament without Russia or N.Korea disarming would have been or would be disastrous given the current state of affairs with both these countries. His Intentions ! Leopards never change their spots !

Like I have mentioned before to you Corbynistas, if you continue to stick your heads in the sand with your backside facing Russia, you really would or will see how a nuclear missile would feel right up your jacksies !

We would be a satellite puppeteered by Russia in a heartbeat just like what they did with the Crimea with no method of resistance so you lot need to get real and wake up to the world we live in today as your freedoms that we enjoy now would be on the line working for Oligarchs for peanuts who are raping billions off the common people and living in squalor like most people in Russia are having to !

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Post by WF10 » 07 Apr 2018, 18:31

:lol: The rantings of a mad man!

You need to stop believing everything you read just because it suits your anti Russian narrative. There's more holes in this incident than beggars belief.

The government and media have collaborated to stitch up the Labour Leader and handed the Foreign Secretary carte blanche to lie his way around the world and back.

If you think that's OK for "the national interest", I have to wonder what the national interest actually is and who benefits from it.
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Post by CasRus » 08 Apr 2018, 11:00

Er, I think you need to take a look at the evidence matey on Russia's past 5 years and just to remind you:-

1/ Invasion of Crimea that they ridiculously denied
2/ Blowing a civilian airline out of the sky with their transportable missile tech
3/ Supporting and providing Assad who is murdering his own people and with Chemical Weapons they are supplying to them with hundreds killed and dozens only just killed today - see the innocent kids on the news today affected !
4/ At least 2 dozen murders by stealth on these shores including nerve agents and radioactive materials after Putin is recorded as saying that traitors will be searched out and killed !! Doesn't take rocket science to work out does it !
5/ Recorded Russian Cyber attacks shutting down our NHS systems and others around the world
6/ Putin and his buddies asset stripped all the oil wealth and have billions in their accounts at the expense of the common people
7/ Murdered and disqualified any credible opposition candidate that would have given him a run on his power as proved recently in elctions
8/ His Total control on Russian media
8/ Has his KGB death squad threats to anyone who would expose his misdemeanours

Now if you want to call me anti Russian - be my guest !! I think I have some basis for this as most intelligent people also have so I have deduced that you cannot or aren't able to fit into this category of intelligent thinking.

This is a regime based on Nazi principles and we all know how that ended so be prepared and get ready for it !

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Post by Flat Capper » 09 Apr 2018, 12:15

I love your rants; typical right wing nonsense.

There is no doubt that Putin controls Russia and whilst his techniques are somewhat shady, his stance is replicated by the loon over the Atlantic who also tries to control everything, including the media through his links with the Fox television network.

There is also a great deal of propaganda coming from the British government and the more we delve into their version of recent events, the more holes we see. The idiot Johnson has certainly lied to the nation on at least one point but overall, at best the evidence is circumstantial and whilst this doesn't mean Russia weren't behind the attack, if you're going to tell the world you know they did it, provide evidence. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

As I've said before, Putin will push the boundaries to further his own ends but we have to be more intelligent and work behind the scenes.

The West has certainly never been shy of killing the citizens of another nation as a sacrifice to the greater good and our meddling in the Middle East has certainly been the cause of millions of deaths over the last 20 years.
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Post by CasRus » 09 Apr 2018, 13:11

Wouldn't say I am right wing but common sense prevails in the middle somewhere andfor example was against your last labour leader [REMOVED] Blair shockingly telling lies to get us into an illegal war in Iraq.

Also currently, I don't like the way the US (puppeteered by a powerful Jewish Lobby) support Israel and turn a blind eye to their treatment of the Palestinians who had their lands taken away and where Israel cannot even give back the West Bank and Gaza for them to have their own homeland - it's a mockery to condemn Assad' and Russia while keeping quiet about Israel shooting and killing Palestinians who are throwing a few rocks over a fence.

On Russia, look at history of appeasement of Hitler just before he decided to go into Poland after the then Prime Minister was pandering to them which we have been doing with Putin for a number of years - Putin is threatening world peace just like Hitler did before and this could end up as a case of Deja Vous, only a lot more devastating with all kinds of Nuclear and things you won't have seen yet that can kill this planet period. Put a madman in power who you can't remove and that is what will definately happen.

It's all common sense if you are prepared to take an outside in view rather from a very left standpoint and I just am pointing out your leaning to the left will ultimately sleepwalk you into a world of misery !

This isn't the rantings of a madman as you have raised about me - we have had 2 world wars with millions already killed and I'm afraid that we are now potentially heading to a third which will kill this planet with the weapons of today. Russia only needs to explode a few missiles overhead with Novochuck and we are all doomed !

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Post by Flat Capper » 09 Apr 2018, 17:12

Not for the first time you're missing the point. Best of all your contradict yourself.

Putin loves to stand there and pretend he is the biggest threat and your answer is to stand toe-to-toe and match him. In that situation you will definitely end up with the end of the human race (the world will continue in some form without us!).

It certainly isn't a case of appeasement but using the far greater intelligence gathering we are capable of to ultimately undermine him at home. Whilst we have a 'spy' network' in the early 20th century it was far short of the intelligence network we have today.

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Post by CasRus » 09 Apr 2018, 17:46

No No No.

You are totally missing the point yourself.

Iin your post you state " Putin loves to stand there and pretend he is the biggest threat"

The fact of the matter is that Putin is not pretending at all - He is demonstrating he is the biggest threat in Syria, Crimea, Georgia, Blowing a civilian aircraft out of the sky, killing and jailing his rivals at home, poisoning Ukranian leader and several in the UK, cyber attacks in the UK and in the USA ! or is that what you call pretend ?

Now come on matey, I really think you are in total denial - you need to take a cold shower to wake yourself up to cold hard facts or are you a total commie yourself and/ or who would defend the devil incarnate himself !!

Just watch the news and see the kids being gassed and slaughtered in Syria -if that's the world you want or want to pussyfoot around while the Big Bad Wolf is killing innocents, just wait your time before he comes knocking on your door and killing off all your family and relations !

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So we should go to war with him? That's obviously the most peaceful resolution. :roll:
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Post by CasRus » 09 Apr 2018, 18:54

Now are you are starting to assume on my behalf ?
It's Putin and his gangster friends that need removing and not to go to war with Russia who I'm sure have plenty of good people not wishing us any harm - If he has set the evil precedent of stealth killing, then I'm all in favour of what you sow you reap ! No need to go to war on this but target the cancer that's currently leading Russia up a blind alley.
If juste democracy was allowed in these countries, we could all get on and each country could help each other in total harmony - it's when greed and power take over with small minded people that cause these issues just like Hitler did.
Cutting off and sending home his oligarch mates here in the UK and freezing assets would put pressure on Putin as his mates won't like that happening to them - they like the high western high life too much !

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Follow the money, see where it leads. That's what Corbyn has been saying! For the many, not the few.

The Conservative party have been dealing with, accepting and facilitating Russian money. If they want to hurt Putin, they could by going after the money, but they won't because they are terrified of even talking about the idea that many of things the City of London does are harmful for Britain as a whole. It's all janus faced and weasel words, and they've made a terrible job of this and are dripping in double standards and hypocrisy.

Here, have a butchers at Q.18 & 19 in particular. http://data.parliament.uk/writteneviden ... 81007.html
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CasRus wrote:No No No.

You are totally missing the point yourself.

Iin your post you state " Putin loves to stand there and pretend he is the biggest threat"

The fact of the matter is that Putin is not pretending at all - He is demonstrating he is the biggest threat in Syria, Crimea, Georgia, Blowing a civilian aircraft out of the sky, killing and jailing his rivals at home, poisoning Ukranian leader and several in the UK, cyber attacks in the UK and in the USA ! or is that what you call pretend ?

Now come on matey, I really think you are in total denial - you need to take a cold shower to wake yourself up to cold hard facts or are you a total commie yourself and/ or who would defend the devil incarnate himself !!

Just watch the news and see the kids being gassed and slaughtered in Syria -if that's the world you want or want to pussyfoot around while the Big Bad Wolf is killing innocents, just wait your time before he comes knocking on your door and killing off all your family and relations !
Your comments are beyond belief.

I do not like Putin and if I were a "commie", he'd have already wiped me out as he is pure right wing, money grabbing, capitalist scum.

The actions in Syria are deplorable but I reiterate, we need to be more intelligent in how we respond. If we scream and shout, he will shout louder and they'll be even more innocent victims. You cannot go to war with Putin without going to war with the millions of innocently blind Russian citizens.

His finances, and that of his oligarch mates plays a significant part in the British economy so that perhaps points to why the Tories won't freeze or cease these assets - they have too much to lose themselves. Corbyn on the other hand is likely to target this huge wealth to help pay for much needed services over here, a better option.
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Er, Are you saying that the Oligarch money is already in the UK economy and that helps and goes to support the Conservatives in power with the economy because if this is the case, then if you are saying that Corbyn would target this to help our services ? - It's the same money then so I just don't get your drift. All what you are supposedly saying is if it is the case of Oligarch money helping the UK economy then that money available is either used in a Conservative way or Labour way to address the methods of governing. I highly doubt any of this is the case unless there are Oligarch undisclosed donations going on either into Labour or Conservative coffers which would need proving and it's more of a case that money piling in from these Oligarchs is buying up half of London in property, fast cars. jewelry etc that ultimately helps the economy.

So, to address the issue, unless you take away their London and Country Mansion playground, freeze Oligarch assets and kick them all out back to Russia which they won't like, and which they may or will put Putin under pressure to hopefully stop his Hitler march to power or totally remove him , then that's the only game in town to stop this madness and if that won't work then it looks like we are in for a very rough ride ! Don't forget Putin is the front man for his mob who have seized control of Russia and this could all in end in tears if they all stand firm as a group. Whether this achieves the desired effect remains to be seen but it needs to be tried.

It's no good sitting on our hands once again or they will laugh their heads off at us and the west (which they have for the past few years) and continue to get away with atrocities ! If you have not got a credible answer to what is going on to stop all this then you are facing up to the fact of confrontation ultimately as they won't stop this which is now proving to be the case.

If you don't fight evil, it will swallow you up - Millions who have fought tyranny have died in the past to keep this world safe and free from slavery under tyranny so, from your perspective, you need to man up and be Brave and not a squeaky little Mouse as you seem to be body swerving confrontation and be an appeaser of Russia in denying all current facts that lead to their door ! Man or a Mouse - you decide !

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CasRus wrote:Er, Are you saying that the Oligarch money is already in the UK economy and that helps and goes to support the Conservatives in power with the economy because if this is the case, then if you are saying that Corbyn would target this to help our services ? - It's the same money then so I just don't get your drift. All what you are supposedly saying is if it is the case of Oligarch money helping the UK economy then that money available is either used in a Conservative way or Labour way to address the methods of governing. I highly doubt any of this is the case unless there are Oligarch undisclosed donations going on either into Labour or Conservative coffers which would need proving and it's more of a case that money piling in from these Oligarchs is buying up half of London in property, fast cars. jewelry etc that ultimately helps the economy.

So, to address the issue, unless you take away their London and Country Mansion playground, freeze Oligarch assets and kick them all out back to Russia which they won't like, and which they may or will put Putin under pressure to hopefully stop his Hitler march to power or totally remove him , then that's the only game in town to stop this madness and if that won't work then it looks like we are in for a very rough ride ! Don't forget Putin is the front man for his mob who have seized control of Russia and this could all in end in tears if they all stand firm as a group. Whether this achieves the desired effect remains to be seen but it needs to be tried.

It's no good sitting on our hands once again or they will laugh their heads off at us and the west (which they have for the past few years) and continue to get away with atrocities ! If you have not got a credible answer to what is going on to stop all this then you are facing up to the fact of confrontation ultimately as they won't stop this which is now proving to be the case.

If you don't fight evil, it will swallow you up - Millions who have fought tyranny have died in the past to keep this world safe and free from slavery under tyranny so, from your perspective, you need to man up and be Brave and not a squeaky little Mouse as you seem to be body swerving confrontation and be an appeaser of Russia in denying all current facts that lead to their door ! Man or a Mouse - you decide !
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Links from this Links from that - Can't you think for yourself !! For every link you post I could provide and match those links with even more from an opposite standpoint to the links you keep relying on - Why don't you discuss and deduce your own opinions rather than from Links which by the way most are bias to whatever persuasion they are from and more commonly fake news ! That is why I make my own judgement rather than relying on someone to tell you how to think - that's for people without a brain !!!!!

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CasRus wrote:Er, Are you saying that the Oligarch money is already in the UK economy and that helps and goes to support the Conservatives in power with the economy because if this is the case, then if you are saying that Corbyn would target this to help our services ? - It's the same money then so I just don't get your drift. All what you are supposedly saying is if it is the case of Oligarch money helping the UK economy then that money available is either used in a Conservative way or Labour way to address the methods of governing. I highly doubt any of this is the case unless there are Oligarch undisclosed donations going on either into Labour or Conservative coffers which would need proving and it's more of a case that money piling in from these Oligarchs is buying up half of London in property, fast cars. jewelry etc that ultimately helps the economy.

So, to address the issue, unless you take away their London and Country Mansion playground, freeze Oligarch assets and kick them all out back to Russia which they won't like, and which they may or will put Putin under pressure to hopefully stop his Hitler march to power or totally remove him , then that's the only game in town to stop this madness and if that won't work then it looks like we are in for a very rough ride ! Don't forget Putin is the front man for his mob who have seized control of Russia and this could all in end in tears if they all stand firm as a group. Whether this achieves the desired effect remains to be seen but it needs to be tried.

It's no good sitting on our hands once again or they will laugh their heads off at us and the west (which they have for the past few years) and continue to get away with atrocities ! If you have not got a credible answer to what is going on to stop all this then you are facing up to the fact of confrontation ultimately as they won't stop this which is now proving to be the case.

If you don't fight evil, it will swallow you up - Millions who have fought tyranny have died in the past to keep this world safe and free from slavery under tyranny so, from your perspective, you need to man up and be Brave and not a squeaky little Mouse as you seem to be body swerving confrontation and be an appeaser of Russia in denying all current facts that lead to their door ! Man or a Mouse - you decide !
My apologies, I didn't quite make myself clear.

In general, the Tory philosophy is to support the rich and allow then to invest their money in property and financial institutions in order to make even more money. It doesn't matter if they are oligarchs, Arabs or Tory Ministers. They support the private retention of these fortunes and don't even think it's worth taxing them to a fair and reasonable level.

It is very much about avoiding support of the state as much as possible and is therefore quite the opposite of the Labour stance of asking the wealthy to pair their fair share - For the Many, Not the Few!
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Post by CasRus » 17 Apr 2018, 00:13

Thanks for your explanation Flatcapper (or is it Flattcrapper....ha ha I'm only joking buddy !!).

This myth about Tories looking after the rich at the expense of the poor is stemming out of an antiquated "Dick's Days" period harking back to the mid last century. It is a fact that mid to high income earners pay an incredible amount of tax compared to the less well off and while you want them to pay more and have companies pay more Corporation Tax also, you will drive investment out of the UK. It's a question of balance and I'm not saying where the right balance is but hammering the well off and taxing companies (which is what labour have said they would do) would have investment and wealth leaving this country.

I am all for people and companies paying up instead of tax dodging which is where this country has failed to bring this to task over these past number of years.

I know it is a struggle at the bottom end and I think income tax being raised by 1p bottom end, 2p middle income and 3p/4p high earners might make a difference to pay for NHS and other stuff and I think there should be a tax on middle to high earners in the short term to stem losses from any Brexit effects also for say a 3-5 year only period to cushion the effects on low earners but must come off once we get into gear on our own.

Now, on another topic, after seeing the performance of Abbott and Corbyn (or is it Abbott and Costello....ha ha ... see what I did there !) today on the Syrian chemical weapon intervention, and most Labour backing "it was the right thing to do", I think it's time for your Labour lot to get him out and get someone decent in - If you are devout Corbyn ...hang your heads in shame as he would sell us out to Russia in an instant! Vote for Yvette Cooper to be leader and get some credibility back as it's good to have a decent opposition to reign any government in - I'm not devout Tory by the way but Corbyn's lead opposition is an absolute joke ! - If there was an election right now, I'd wager he would get a right hammering at the polls !

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You can't just make stuff up and try and pass it off as fact.

The BBC has the monopoly on that.
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