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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by onetiger » 18 Oct 2016, 14:15

jc was in avote to be labour leader
unlike may who was handed the pm job, when blair did same with brown may and her croanies was up in arms
but its all fine she as top job....the torys say they care about every one in uk what a joke they care for there nbackers bankers and billion pound companys ...if all these companys payed the tax they should this country would be out of debt in 18 month ...

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Post by WF10 » 18 Apr 2017, 17:49

That was not just an election call but a party political broadcast. Labour need to fight dirty, show hospitals that have been closed and demolished, show hospital corridors with old people dying on trollies, show dilapidated schools, show food banks, show rural areas with no transport links, show drug users in the so called affluent areas, throw up Tory links to private healthcare/prisons/schools/pharma/defence.

Show disabled people struggling because of cuts, show kids eating the only decent meal they will get at school, show Boris Johnson acting the d-head, show Jeremy Hunt's financial links to his family and the British Council, show derelict libraries, care homes falling to bits, show the Etons going to school dressed like Hogwarts students, show parents having to buy books for school, show care workers spending 10 minutes with a frail old lady before they have to move onto the next frail old lady, show workers zero hours payslips, show Young Conservatives blacked up/dressed as Nazis/wearing hang Mandela t-shirts.
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Post by CasRus » 18 Apr 2017, 18:24

Guys Guys Guys ! This is supposed to be a Cas Tigers forum and not a way to display your political viewpoints as we all have differing viewpoints and would only start a lot of animosity on the forum - leave it to discuss your points on Cas Tigers and Rugby League in general please.

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CasRus wrote:Guys Guys Guys ! This is supposed to be a Cas Tigers forum and not a way to display your political viewpoints as we all have differing viewpoints and would only start a lot of animosity on the forum - leave it to discuss your points on Cas Tigers and Rugby League in general please.
In the sub-forum where 'general chit-chat is in here'?
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » 19 Apr 2017, 10:27

By definition anybody voting Labour would be quite happy to see Jeremy Corbyn as PM, how anyone in their right mind can think this is a good idea is beyond me. In fairness I don't think even the PLP does either. Thankfully it isn't going to happen.

Come on Theresa bury them

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Post by onetiger » 19 Apr 2017, 11:40

alftupper wrote:By definition anybody voting Labour would be quite happy to see Jeremy Corbyn as PM, how anyone in their right mind can think this is a good idea is beyond me. In fairness I don't think even the PLP does either. Thankfully it isn't going to happen.

Come on Theresa bury them


i have been a supporter of labour since i could vote but there is no way i can vote for them while coco the clown is leader
so im going to have to see which way im going to vote on june 8th .i will tell you this alf i can see the torys gaining another 100-120 seats labour will be lucky is they get 90 mp,s i like what this guy said on news santa clause as more chance been pm than jc....im a very let down ex labour party supporter and ex member ...

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Post by WF10 » 19 Apr 2017, 19:13

onetiger wrote:
alftupper wrote:By definition anybody voting Labour would be quite happy to see Jeremy Corbyn as PM, how anyone in their right mind can think this is a good idea is beyond me. In fairness I don't think even the PLP does either. Thankfully it isn't going to happen.

Come on Theresa bury them


i have been a supporter of labour since i could vote but there is no way i can vote for them while coco the clown is leader
so im going to have to see which way im going to vote on june 8th .i will tell you this alf i can see the torys gaining another 100-120 seats labour will be lucky is they get 90 mp,s i like what this guy said on news santa clause as more chance been pm than jc....im a very let down ex labour party supporter and ex member ...
Why is he a clown?
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onetiger wrote:
alftupper wrote:By definition anybody voting Labour would be quite happy to see Jeremy Corbyn as PM, how anyone in their right mind can think this is a good idea is beyond me. In fairness I don't think even the PLP does either. Thankfully it isn't going to happen.

Come on Theresa bury them


i have been a supporter of labour since i could vote but there is no way i can vote for them while coco the clown is leader
so im going to have to see which way im going to vote on june 8th .i will tell you this alf i can see the torys gaining another 100-120 seats labour will be lucky is they get 90 mp,s i like what this guy said on news santa clause as more chance been pm than jc....im a very let down ex labour party supporter and ex member ...
No matter how much I'd like your predictions to come to fruition, I doubt they will. Although I welcome your change of heart I think you are in the minority. Labour voters will vote labour no matter what, I doubt there will be so much as a dent in Coopers majority for instance.

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Post by WF10 » 20 Apr 2017, 09:28

Here it is, why she's called a snap election.

Vote tory - the party you can trust!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 89801.html
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Post by WF10 » 20 Apr 2017, 10:47

WF10 wrote:Here it is, why she's called a snap election.

Vote tory - the party you can trust!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 89801.html
While many will shrug it off, but if you stop and think for a moment, all of this is fairly fundamental to what it already a very thin form of democracy.
Legally it's fraud.
It's a potential clear breach of the rules, and without a rule of law, - elections cannot function.

It also raises very serious questions about the kind of country the UK is. It trades on its reputation for upholding rule of law, and for 'fair play' in international markets. It's why investors like the UK and London. This would be huge reputational damage.

But there is also a very clear case for saying the result was affected by these rule breaches, calling the entire outcome, including Brexit and all that has gone with it, into question.

Two other things make this more important than it first appears.

1. The 8 June date for the GE has been deliberately chosen because it is of significance in making it more difficult to conclude the cases. I cannot say whether this is accurate, but informed people are suggesting this influenced why May has chosen this date. In other words, she is worried and wants this to go away.

2. If you talking about legal cases against sitting MPs, allegations of cheating, the devious party, and if it becomes clear the choice of election date is about trying to close this down, I think that does put the Tories on the hook, makes them look very bad and could potentially be very politically damaging in ways that change the whole tone of debate around this GE. In a democracy you need some transparency, openness around this issue, otherwise the integrity of the whole system becomes increasingly questionable.

We are probably not going to get it, but what I am flagging is that everything May does and says should be viewed in this context.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » 10 May 2017, 13:22

the CPS have dismissed these politically motivated allegations.

Bring on the landslide!

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Post by WF10 » 10 May 2017, 16:03

Joke.
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Post by CasRus » 10 May 2017, 20:23

This is how I see it for June 8th - If you are staunch labour but voted for Brexit, then you are in a dilemma. The overriding factor I think most people know which is of utter importance just now, like it or lump it, is Brexit and getting a strong team to negotiate and that means, dare I say it, voting for the party you don't like otherwise the country will be in a total analysis paralysis state of affairs going nowhere which is more harmful. If we get this right as a country with that strong team acting to get the best deal, then once completed it's game on again for the next election on in house domestic affairs like NHS, Tax etc and what's to your political persuasion. I don't expect all people to agree with this but I feel this is the most common sense approach just now and needs some deep breaths from people's politically bias standpoints, I know, but this is truly my opinion only. I await any fireworks cast however, just trying to make common sense on what was a democratic decision and best way forward just now.

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Post by WF10 » 10 May 2017, 22:03

And who is the strongest negotiating team?
Just repeating the mantra 'strong and stable' doesn't make it so.

The cards have fallen right into the tories hands imo. The working classes who swallowed the ukip led right wing propaganda and subsequently voted 'leave' have now got little option but to vote tory. Could not have been planned better.
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Post by CasRus » 11 May 2017, 00:25

Whoever negotiates and what they finally negotiate we unfortunately have to go with and whoever does the deed will always get criticised to death anyway as that's the nature of opposition parties and press. I find it hard to understand why people are afraid of a risky Brexit - nobody talks about the risk of staying in when most Southern European countries are deep in debt and will very soon be bringing out the begging bowl for more support and more money which will end up costing more billions to support the whole project. We can stand on our own - we are GREAT Britain by name and properly managed, we could create something special if people are willing to roll their sleeves up and get pitched in and do something collective together in unison to make it Great. Of course it's going to be hard - No Pain No Gain ! Rome is never built in one day and it needs a lot of patience to get things right - that's unfortunately the nature of the beast to tackle - I do believe that the rich should be short term taxed higher though to help support services in need and help the poor say over a 2 year period and then revert back as this would be a great boost to the country as a whole and be in a good position to be strong during the early years of Brexit in building a stronger economy. It just takes a different "Can Do" mindset by everyone rather than being in the "ooh what's going to happen , I'm worried " feeble mindset ! Think Big Be Brave and we can mix with Giants ! Right I'm getting off my soapbox now before someone kicks it from underneath me.... Ha ha !!

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Post by WF10 » 11 May 2017, 09:12

I can't understand the naivety of some people who thought we'd be able to walk away from the union yet continue to receive the benefits of it.
Who in their right minds thought we'd be able to leave with absolutely no penalties?

Further, now it looks like like we'll have a 'remainer' as the person in charge of the exit negotiations as we've all been led to believe that the 'leaver' in charge of the opposition is an inept negotiator/debator. So inept that she's refusing to engage him in a live debate for fears that he'll wipe the floor with her.

Modern politics is being played out in the media rather than focusing on policy. Whoever has the most media-savvy staff will win as the idiots in this country do what the papers and 'news' outlets tell them, despite it being against their best interests.

The fascists behind all this (the rise of the populist right) must be laughing their peckers off at how they have got so many gullible working class people to do their dirty work for them at the ballot boxes.

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Well I think most people know that Brexit is no walk in the park and we will be poorer for it in the short term and thats the price to be paid to extract us from a Cartel in Brussels who have been laughing all the way to the bank on us and now trying to bully us into submission and scare the sh.t out of us ! You can only judge on who is heading up each party and the team behind them. I for one see the Blue Camp having more cohesion even though they squabble between themselves to carry Britain to better times while the red camp in comparison look like a bunch of amateurs ! - just look at them trying to remove their leader who has no backing from his team ! We are not a country of his vision and while N.Korea is testing nuclear he is trying to remove ours - what a joke ! We cannot disarm unless and until every country disarms - FACT ! The red camp want to throw billions at our services - where is the money coming from ? I'll tell you, huge borrowing which has us paying interest for the next 100 years and very possibly bankrupting the country ! We have to increase our business and trade first with new trade agreements and not be stymied by the EU to generate money and pay for things we can afford and also cut out all the huge monetary waste that goes on in our services like the NHS and make it more efficient. This is the most common sense approach as I see it and people have to be patient for a number of years to make this happen. Anyoone who has gone through a divorce will tell you that it hurts for a while and become poorer for it, but don't die from it and we eventually recover and get on with building a future for the better - It's the same with Brexit, No Pain No Gain ! I can see JC will be removed and I tip that Yvette Cooper is a very strong possibility of leading once this election is over - A credible leader that will provide a strong opposition for the next election and where domestic issues can then be fought over - I Just think Brexit is too important for now and see a strong direction in the blue corner and a bunch of jackasses in the other until they sort themselves out - I know its hard to swallow for the swathes of people in our district but if we can all think logically for now and then await the next election to fall back to what each person then wants from their political persuasion and see the state of affairs then common sense may prevail as most people did vote for Brexit in the North and if they can understand that fact and vote for who can carry this out most effectively, then my opinion is that there is only one choice for now. Tim Farron of the Liberals might just as well bend over with his trousers folded neatly over his right arm and let Brussels have the pleasure of shafting him if he ever got the pleasure of negotiating for us ! Well let's see what Fireworks I probably now have created in response to my opinion as usual...ha ha !! It's fun to get jousting with opinions !

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Where to start with this.
CasRus wrote:Well I think most people know that Brexit is no walk in the park and we will be poorer for it in the short term and thats the price to be paid to extract us from a Cartel in Brussels who have been laughing all the way to the bank on us and now trying to bully us into submission and scare the sh.t out of us !
That's the price of being in a union: security, safety and guaranteed trade. The £350million per week we spend/spent on EU membership has now been spent on the NHS hasn't it? Right oh.
CasRus wrote:You can only judge on who is heading up each party and the team behind them. I for one see the Blue Camp having more cohesion even though they squabble between themselves to carry Britain to better times while the red camp in comparison look like a bunch of amateurs ! - just look at them trying to remove their leader who has no backing from his team !
This is true because that war mongering former leader lurched Labour so far to the right that even Corbyn's centre-left policies see him labelled as a 'loony lefty' by the plp and the media. Which simply isn't true https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-europ ... qus_thread

From his style to his policies Mr Corbyn would, in Norway, be an unremarkably mainstream, run-of-the-mill social-democrat. His policy-platform places him squarely in the Norwegian Labour Party from which the last leader is such a widely respected establishment figure that upon resignation he became the current Secretary-General of NATO.
Yet, here in the United Kingdom a politician who makes similar policy-proposals, indeed those that form the very bedrock of the Nordic-model, is brandished as an extremist of the hard-left and a danger to society.
So who is right? Is the Norwegian Labour movement some dangerous extremist group that unknowingly has occupied the furthest leftist fringe of the political spectrum? If so, a casual glance at the UN’s Human Development Index would suggest that Norway certainly has not suffered as a result of successive Labour-dominated governments. Or is it, perhaps, that the British media’s portrayal of Corbyn, and by extent his policies are somewhat exaggerated and verging on the realm of character assassination rather than objective analysis and journalism?
It is probably not without reason that a recent report by the European Broadcasting Union found that the United Kingdom among all of the EU member-states (+Albania, FYROM & Turkey) scores the lowest in levels of trust in written media.
CasRus wrote:We are not a country of his vision and while N.Korea is testing nuclear he is trying to remove ours - what a joke ! We cannot disarm unless and until every country disarms - FACT !
Writing fact in capital letters doesn't make it a fact. Someone has to be first. What is the point of Trident though - if it is a deterrent you can't use it offensively, because the deterrent aspect is being abused, and if it is in retaliation, then the deterrent hasn't worked. He (and probably every sane person on the planet) would rather save lives than kill, yet he's portrayed as a madman?!
CasRus wrote:The red camp want to throw billions at our services - where is the money coming from ? I'll tell you, huge borrowing which has us paying interest for the next 100 years and very possibly bankrupting the country !
So we've got cuts to education resulting in schools drastically cutting back on resources to the point where qualified teachers are being let go. The NHS is crippled through lack of funding, we have children in this country growing up in poverty and record numbers relying on food banks and this doesn't need investing in? The leaked labour manifesto says that it'll be raised through increasing corporation tax, companies paying more tax on their profits. Whereas the tories want to lower corporation tax (so the rich get richer) creating a 'trickle down' economy.

I'll leave you with this: with the current situation of people - if you have £1 and starving, you don't buy a pair of sunglasses.

£205 billion to renew Trident.
£56 billion for HS2 high speed rail.
£7 billion to refurbish Westminster.
£369 million to refurbish Buckingham Place.

All of this without costing up being part of the conflict of bombing Syria (circa £50m), - where the Government say they had no money, but magically found some and also approved all the above.
This should make every UK citizen 'balk' at the idea of spending such a vast amount of taxpayers money on goods when people are hungry and homeless.

And not forgetting with all these BILLIONS OF POUNDS being set up for these projects, as of 2015/16 the UK has a National Debt of £1.64 TRILLION pounds and the interest alone is £68 billion a year - this is WONGA LOANS.
The Deficit (public spending) which the Tories keep harping on about as of 2016/17 - £43 billion net estimated.

Compare this to when Gordon Brown / Labour blamed for the crash - the National Debt was fiscal 2010 at £1.0 Trillion pounds - it has grown more than half in 7 years under the Tories.
The Deficit - before the 2008 crash was around £40 billion net, which the Tories have brought the deficit down to current date but increased the national debt, all this during several years of hardship for the poor and needy.

As we keep increasing the national debt, even though the deficit is down, we keep spending more than our income - the reality is, might as well spend it on Housing / Infrastructure / Education / NHS and help eradicating poverty.

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Post by WF10 » 19 May 2017, 12:32

alftupper wrote:As a longtime Tory voter I think I can for once agree with the comrades of the Labour Party and say I am truly overjoyed with Jezza's landslide victory. His policy ideas really are quite frightening if it were not for the fact he stands as much chance of becoming PM as Shergar.

I am sure this will condemn Labour to decades of opposition and in-fighting and hopefully give the Conservative Party a chance to shift further to the Right.
Come on then Alf - which policies in the labour manifesto frighten you?
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Post by Bramley Tiger » 19 May 2017, 12:38

jeez its obvious national debt has grown so much because of the staggering deficit starting point.to have got it under control would have taken more so called hardship which I very much doubt would have got your approval.

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