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[WF10]

You've not explained how this is likely to reduce the number of crimes.

Simple, knock them off put them through the courts lock them away so they can’t do it again. Over to you, if you have a better method please share it I’m sure the MET and Home Office will be grateful for your guidance

This will stop others committing the same type of crime?

Not to mention that of course when they have served their time & get released from the prison system they'll be a reformed character and won't fall back into criminal habits?

With the extra bonus of having a grudge with a police force who could have severely injured them by crashing their car into them at 30+mph.

I see absolutely no flaws in this whatsoever #-o

Alf, I think we are dealing with a simpleton here n WF10 ! Prison is the determining factor of discouraging people from initially going out to commit crime. If they so choose crime thay have to face the consequences and if they are fool enough to do it again from having a grudge against the police, then they would run the risk again of a longer and second prison sentence. Yes there may be one out of a thousand that may want to do this but rest assured, deterrants work and this police action of knocking scum off mopeds has decreased the incidence of this type of crime by 30% they past two months - Now WF10, you cannot argue against these stats, so go back into your "Tim but Dim" little world shouting "La La La" when the obvious smacks you in the face !

Sorry to burst your bubble again but 'one out of a thousand' may want to re-offend?

How do you explain a recent report stating the following:
Adult reoffending rate - 28.6%
Juvenile reoffending rate - 40.4%
Adults (released from less than a 12 month sentence) reoffending rate - 64.5%

Asking for a simpleton who doesn't read The Daily Mail so of course he doesn't have all the answers, unlike yourself.

[alftupper]

You've not explained how this is likely to reduce the number of crimes.

Simple, knock them off put them through the courts lock them away so they can’t do it again. Over to you, if you have a better method please share it I’m sure the MET and Home Office will be grateful for your guidance

This will stop others committing the same type of crime?

Not to mention that of course when they have served their time & get released from the prison system they'll be a reformed character and won't fall back into criminal habits?

With the extra bonus of having a grudge with a police force who could have severely injured them by crashing their car into them at 30+mph.

I see absolutely no flaws in this whatsoever #-o

Still not told us your perfect solution...

Of course it doesn't stop others from committing the same type of crime but it prevents the ones you lock up from doing it again. What's your point?

You sound like a potential Tory, you are right the re-offending rates are terrible that is why we need harsher sentences and by that lock rubbish away for much longer and make the prison experience horrendous.

As for these moped thugs potentially being severely injured, fingers crossed for that I wouldn't lose a minute sleep over the ****s

[CasRus]

You've not explained how this is likely to reduce the number of crimes.

Simple, knock them off put them through the courts lock them away so they can’t do it again. Over to you, if you have a better method please share it I’m sure the MET and Home Office will be grateful for your guidance

This will stop others committing the same type of crime?

Not to mention that of course when they have served their time & get released from the prison system they'll be a reformed character and won't fall back into criminal habits?

With the extra bonus of having a grudge with a police force who could have severely injured them by crashing their car into them at 30+mph.

I see absolutely no flaws in this whatsoever #-o

Still not told us your perfect solution...

Of course it doesn't stop others from committing the same type of crime but it prevents the ones you lock up from doing it again. What's your point?

You sound like a potential Tory, you are right the re-offending rates are terrible that is why we need harsher sentences and by that lock rubbish away for much longer and make the prison experience horrendous.

As for these moped thugs potentially being severely injured, fingers crossed for that I wouldn't lose a minute sleep over the ****s

Agree with you which I was about to draft my response to WF10 similarly.

One thing I would add is that why don't the government have these thugs sent outside in the community in chain gangs where we are struggling to get people to do work that is needed - i.e in the crop fields of Lincoln doing the manual work instead of importing cheap labour from Poland (this would save wages and make the cost cheaper for the community) or have them picking up the rubbish along roads/motorways that knobheads drop in substantial quantities.
A few state governors in the USA deploy this and dress them up in Pink coveralls and the re-offending rate has been proved to have made a significant reduction. It's not rocket science and sometimes common sense should prevail. No wonder there's re-offending when they get 3 meals a day, play table tennis and snooker all day and have TVs !! Some prisons are like holiday camps !

WF10 is addressing another subject in his response in deflection and not acknowledging the fact that knocking scum off mopeds has reduced incidents by 30% - Get with the subject plan WF10 and re-offending is another branch of discussion and there could be a lot more done to reduce this as per my comments if the government could take steps to address which has long been neglected by various governments over the years.

[WF10]

I deflect??

Honest to God, you 2 are nuts.

[Flat Capper]

It's easy to sit back and be a keyboard warrior, spouting off that the moped 'scum' should be treated like rabid dogs. I fully understand why the simple view is knock 'em off.

However, the one ting I have learned is that criminals are always one step ahead of the Police and whilst there has been an initial impact to the new tactic, long-term the chances are the riders will develop new, more dangerous techniques in response.

I can certainly see them riding along the footway more and more, endangering innocent pedestrians but more worryingly, and as these riders are part of a wider criminal network, they start carrying guns to shoot at the Police to try and get them to pull back. This will then prompt more armed officers and so on.

Perhaps if we reversed the austerity cuts to Police funding and put more Officers on the beat as a matter of course then we may see crime levels fall all round?

[alftupper]

It was a simple question on whether the MET should use this tactic to stop scooter muggers from getting away and so far we’ve had from WF10 various waffle on reoffending rates, the death penalty in the US and somebody who killed himself on a moped but he still won’t enlighten us as to how he’d go about it!

Also managed to reference Abbott’s race and gender, how ironic that our only female PM’s in this country have been Conservatives

[alftupper]

It's easy to sit back and be a keyboard warrior, spouting off that the moped 'scum' should be treated like rabid dogs. I fully understand why the simple view is knock 'em off.

However, the one ting I have learned is that criminals are always one step ahead of the Police and whilst there has been an initial impact to the new tactic, long-term the chances are the riders will develop new, more dangerous techniques in response.

I can certainly see them riding along the footway more and more, endangering innocent pedestrians but more worryingly, and as these riders are part of a wider criminal network, they start carrying guns to shoot at the Police to try and get them to pull back. This will then prompt more armed officers and so on.

Perhaps if we reversed the austerity cuts to Police funding and put more Officers on the beat as a matter of course then we may see crime levels fall all round?

Not sure how agreeing with MET police policy makes anyone a keyboard warrior but hey ho the sage of Fev has spoken. Interesting that you say the criminals are always one step ahead then suggest 1950’s style bobbies on the best as a solution. The usual muddle headed thinking we now expect from you.

[WF10]

It was a simple question on whether the MET should use this tactic to stop scooter muggers from getting away and so far we’ve had from WF10 various waffle on reoffending rates, the death penalty in the US and somebody who killed himself on a moped but he still won’t enlighten us as to how he’d go about it!

Also managed to reference Abbott’s race and gender, how ironic that our only female PM’s in this country have been Conservatives

Alf, you are too easy.

If you care to read it back: Rus suggested 1 in 1000 criminals reoffend; I pointed out it's nearer to 2 in 3.

He also suggested deterrents work; I pointed out that the threat of death doesn't deter people from committing murder, evidenced with statistics from 1990-2016.

I think a more proactive approach should be taken whereby the police are resourced to do their job properly & resource local authorities to deliver preventative and diversionary activities.

Reckon that'd work better than letting the short handed, over worked, under resourced police decide who gets rammed off their scooter myself.

I feel the policy is flawed - if they can get close enough to knock them off they can get close enough to stop them.

[Flat Capper]

Please provide the quote where I said 1950's style bobbies.

The lack of a visible Police presence on our streets almost gives criminals the control of them. It's the same with Roads Policing where drivers simply know they are unlikely to get caught and therefore drive/park how they want. We need more Police to help deter criminals. It may interest you to note that road casualty figures are on the increase.

And, by calling you a keyboard warrior I'm suggesting it's easy for you to sit there behind your keyboard and demand a strong response. I'm sure you'd be more than capable of driving into a motorcyclist with extensive risk of injury or even death. Why don't you join the MET and put yourself in the frontline of a public service?

[alftupper]

I think a more proactive approach should be taken whereby the police are resourced to do their job properly & resource local authorities to deliver preventative and diversionary activities.

Reckon that'd work better than letting the short handed, over worked, under resourced police decide who gets rammed off their scooter myself.

completely missing the point that the crime wave taking place in London right now needs urgent action not some waffle about police funding and providing leisure centres for the poor little darlings

[alftupper]

And, by calling you a keyboard warrior I'm suggesting it's easy for you to sit there behind your keyboard and demand a strong response. I'm sure you'd be more than capable of driving into a motorcyclist with extensive risk of injury or even death. Why don't you join the MET and put yourself in the frontline of a public service?

I have not demanded anything, simply agreeing with the current police policy. I would imagine most of the police would view this as a perk of the job.

[WF10]

I think a more proactive approach should be taken whereby the police are resourced to do their job properly & resource local authorities to deliver preventative and diversionary activities.

Reckon that'd work better than letting the short handed, over worked, under resourced police decide who gets rammed off their scooter myself.

completely missing the point that the crime wave taking place in London right now needs urgent action not some waffle about police funding and providing leisure centres for the poor little darlings

OK.

1. Arrest them and 60+% will reoffend upon release.
2. Ram them off their scooters, injuring them. & when they recover from their injuries they will miraculously be cured of their criminal tendencies.
3. Ram them off their scooters, killing them. Because there is no precedent for this action leading to tension against the police in high crime areas (marches/riots etc).

Foolproof.

[CasRus]

I think a more proactive approach should be taken whereby the police are resourced to do their job properly & resource local authorities to deliver preventative and diversionary activities.

Reckon that'd work better than letting the short handed, over worked, under resourced police decide who gets rammed off their scooter myself.

completely missing the point that the crime wave taking place in London right now needs urgent action not some waffle about police funding and providing leisure centres for the poor little darlings

OK.

1. Arrest them and 60+% will reoffend upon release.
2. Ram them off their scooters, injuring them. & when they recover from their injuries they will miraculously be cured of their criminal tendencies.
3. Ram them off their scooters, killing them. Because there is no precedent for this action leading to tension against the police in high crime areas (marches/riots etc).

Foolproof.

Alf, you are wasting your time on WF10 - you can't educate Pork !!

He just hasn't got a Scooby Doo !!!

[WF10]

If you can't see anything wrong with giving the police the powers to attempt to kill (by driving their cars into people on scooters) whoever they like, then you're a lost cause.

Oh, but you read The Daily Mail - you know everything.

Silly me.

[alftupper]

If you can't see anything wrong with giving the police the powers to attempt to kill (by driving their cars into people on scooters) whoever they like

what an idiotic thing to say

[WF10]

That's the point, dim-wit.

[alftupper]

That's the point, dim-wit.

They haven’t been given the powers to kill people you clown

[WF10]

Just ram their cars into people on mopeds they suspect to have committed a crime. Sound.

[Flat Capper]

That's the point, dim-wit.

They haven’t been given the powers to kill people you clown

Am I safe to assume that should one of these incidents result in the death of the scooter rider, you will take the route of defending the Police Officer for doing their job and it's the fault of the scooter rider for partaking in such activities?

[WF10]

That's the point, dim-wit.

They haven’t been given the powers to kill people you clown

Am I safe to assume that should one of these incidents result in the death of the scooter rider, you will take the route of defending the Police Officer for doing their job and it's the fault of the scooter rider for partaking in such activities?

Haven't you heard Capper?
Police can act as judge, jury & potential executioner now.