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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » 24 May 2019, 13:39

Straws and clutch spring to mind but never mind, I'll await your political comments that you seem so reluctant to provide and/or defend at he moment.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 19 Jun 2019, 15:01

Just thought I would re-fire up the debate !

How many more faces of Big Ben do we need to see from the opposition Labour benches !! They seem to have a multitude of positions and when it aint going their way, they switch to another !! It's amazing that they do not have a true position and await an opportunity to just gain power and sod the country !

Now they are now stooping so low as to be considering a second referendum !! That is no way Democratic after voting for Article 50 and the referendum result to be honoured ! It's laughable to see the front bench of Labour's Noses growing longer by the day just like Pinnochio !

The Leavers have it right - if they don't pass an agreed deal with the EU by the end of October, then it's NO DEAL ! That is Democracy !

Let's hope the Tories sort themselves out and get a change to the deal and both sides see sense but if not, I can see all those lilly livered politicians voting to renege on Article 50 and finish up remaining which is what they will have manufactured to suit themselves and sod democracy ! Next election could see NF's Brexit party take a big chunk out of both camps and that will be the irony !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » 20 Jun 2019, 07:51

You mean they've reiterated agreed Party policy on Brexit?

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 20 Jun 2019, 08:49

WF10 wrote:You mean they've reiterated agreed Party policy on Brexit?

OK.
Yes that's right - they are still hiding and trying to establish their so called "Non Existant" Party Policy (which that's what it is) arguing amongst themselves as to which of the many roads they have sat on the fence with to satisfy their craze to obtain power at all costs while the overriding crisis takes second place and the country stagnates and people lose the will to live ! I think I'm definitely right here !

Backing a second referendum is anti democratic and Northern Labour Heartlands will recognize this and go to Farage - Labour are doomed one way or the other (Labour should have backed May's plan and await the next election rather than stitch her up in my opinion even though it was flawed but had some impetus to get us halfway out).

Tories so far haven't been much better under weak willed May but at least there is a will to finalize for end of October and this may the country's best shot at strong-arming the EU to concede on the backstop and if they do, this will fly through parliament and we can all get on with our lives. If they can't, they at least will have demonstrated their credentials for the will of the people and if they pact with Farage, they will call an election and I believe would get a stronger mandate. If Labour don't pact with the Lib/Dems they are certainly doomed but I can see these pacts forming to reflect the 52-48 referendum vote all over again in an election but will definitely have a very interesting outcome to it all.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » 20 Jun 2019, 09:02

It's a Tory mess, for them lot to own.
Nothing to see here.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 20 Jun 2019, 09:23

Yes it is, but it is also owned by Labour by advocating a second referendum as to what is ultimately being rolled out by them as the Northern Heartlands will prove when they vote for Farage ! You are missing a massive point here WF10 !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » 20 Jun 2019, 09:55

Incorrect.

Brexit referendum proposed in a Tory election manifesto to appease some in their Party.
General Election where the Tories won a majority, thanks in part to the above manifesto pledge.
Brexit referendum.
Leave won.
Tory leader didn't like the result so resigned.
Tories coronated another Party leader.
Tories proposed a General Election.
Tories lost their majority gained previously but cobbled together a deal to keep them in power.
Brexit ongoing.

But its somehow Labour owned?

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 20 Jun 2019, 12:03

WF10 wrote:Incorrect.

Brexit referendum proposed in a Tory election manifesto to appease some in their Party.
General Election where the Tories won a majority, thanks in part to the above manifesto pledge.
Brexit referendum.
Leave won.
Tory leader didn't like the result so resigned.
Tories coronated another Party leader.
Tories proposed a General Election.
Tories lost their majority gained previously but cobbled together a deal to keep them in power.
Brexit ongoing.

But its somehow Labour owned?

Right-oh.

Let me explain - It is Labour owned as well as the Tories as all decisions have been/are voted on in the Commons ! For Clarity it's Commons owned irrespective of how it got there (Labour and Tories plus the others) ! Labour are as much complicit along with the Tory ERG wing of voting down May's deal so yes it is essentially all parties who now own it !
Has that nail finally been hammered in correctly ?

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » 20 Jun 2019, 13:03

If they'd kept their majority by either:
a) not calling for the 2017 General Election
b) winning a majority in the 2017 General Election

the Tories would be able to pass motions in the House.

THEY called for an Election.
THEY lost their majority.
THEY have to deal with it.

The OPPOSITION simply has to OPPOSE.

Not [REMOVED] rocket science mate.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 20 Jun 2019, 13:51

WF10 wrote:If they'd kept their majority by either:
a) not calling for the 2017 General Election
b) winning a majority in the 2017 General Election

the Tories would be able to pass motions in the House.

THEY called for an Election.
THEY lost their majority.
THEY have to deal with it.

The OPPOSITION simply has to OPPOSE.

Not [REMOVED] rocket science mate.
It will all come out in the wash anyway and I suspect it won't be favourable for Labour so I don't know why you are cribbing so much or is it a case of nervous defence !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » 21 Jun 2019, 13:19

CasRus wrote:Yes it is, but it is also owned by Labour by advocating a second referendum as to what is ultimately being rolled out by them as the Northern Heartlands will prove when they vote for Farage ! You are missing a massive point here WF10 !
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 21 Jun 2019, 15:22

WF10 wrote:
CasRus wrote:Yes it is, but it is also owned by Labour by advocating a second referendum as to what is ultimately being rolled out by them as the Northern Heartlands will prove when they vote for Farage ! You are missing a massive point here WF10 !
Chatting.
Pure.
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BELIEVE IN BORIS !! If not BELIEVE IN FARAGE !!

My thoughts are:- Either way and in the event of a General Election if no Brexit, it's either Farage/Libs taking down both Labour and the Tories or the Tories taking down both Farage/Libs and Labour if he secures a deal ! Pretty grim for Labour either way it plays I think !! It's all going to be very interesting ! Anyway, there's always a chance of a Middle East war looming which may Trump all (pardon the pun !).

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » 21 Jun 2019, 16:40

CasRus wrote:
WF10 wrote:
CasRus wrote:Yes it is, but it is also owned by Labour by advocating a second referendum as to what is ultimately being rolled out by them as the Northern Heartlands will prove when they vote for Farage ! You are missing a massive point here WF10 !
Chatting.
Pure.
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BELIEVE IN BORIS !! If not BELIEVE IN FARAGE !!

My thoughts are:- mainly incoherent.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by HuddsTigers » 27 Jul 2019, 15:29

WF10 wrote:If they'd kept their majority by either:
a) not calling for the 2017 General Election
b) winning a majority in the 2017 General Election

the Tories would be able to pass motions in the House.

THEY called for an Election.
THEY lost their majority.
THEY have to deal with it.

The OPPOSITION simply has to OPPOSE.

Not [REMOVED] rocket science mate.
They lost their majority in part because Labour stood on a manifesto of leaving the EU too, alongside all of their other promises and because of the Maybot performance.

The logic (if you believe they had any) in not supporting May’s deal was that they couldn’t do anything that would support letting the Tories achieve something. It would have given May a chance to shout about how great she was. They had no intention of agreeing to anything and had no intention of trying to find common ground.

Labour are unelectable and their flip-flopping has meant they cannot be trusted. Remainers will stick with Lib Dem’s while only the head in sand Labour voters will stick with Labour. Labour have made the wrong decision going with Remain. All the northern heartland seats voted Leave barring those inner city areas.

Brexit vote will be split between Brexit Party and Tories and it wouldn’t surprise me if they formed a coalition to take down Labour in a snap election soon. Brexit Party will attack the north and Tories will attack the south. Remain vote will be split between Labour, Lib Dem’s, Plaid, Greens and SNP. That’s the problem (though Labour’s change probably means Greens will return to being non-existent again)

All they need is a pro-Brexit majority in Parliament to get things through.

Either way this isn’t going to die soon - it’s going to carry on and rumble on and on because the country is split. Remainers won’t budge barring towards a soft Brexit at most, which they say may as well be in the EU. Brexiteers want a hard Brexit. There’s no middle ground that people are willing to compromise to.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 27 Jul 2019, 17:40

Did anyone see Boris rip Corbyn and MacDonell to shreds on Thursday on his first address ?

It really showed up the state of Labour as to what they currently are - anti democratic betrayers of the people !

What is Corbyn now ? Is he still anti EU ? Oh No he isn't.... oh yes he is...oh no he isn't !!!! What an absolute pathetic joke of a leader and all true as to what Boris said that he's been re-programmed and bodysnatched !!!

Boris has managed to find that Magic Money Tree that Labour has been using these past months - play them at their own game eh !!

The good thing is the optimism of this bloke and the intent to address the north south divide ! - Honestly, he won't be able to pull everything off on the promises he's made but if he get's the North moving with investment at the very least, that's good enough for me !

If he pulls off removing the backstop, there should be a deal which would get through the Commons and we can all move on !! The Boris UK / Trump USA trade deal now being seriously put together could bring in a huge amount of money to pay for the promises in time, so hopefully, for the sake of sanity(including labour voters) let's hope we can all get behind him and look to rosier days ahead as if battle lines continue we are all going to be stuffed !

Let him have his head and see where it all goes for the sake of the country and leave politicking out of it for now ! At least it's been a huge breath of fresh air from the stench of stagnation these past 3 years !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » 28 Jul 2019, 09:58

HuddsTigers wrote:
WF10 wrote:If they'd kept their majority by either:
a) not calling for the 2017 General Election
b) winning a majority in the 2017 General Election

the Tories would be able to pass motions in the House.

THEY called for an Election.
THEY lost their majority.
THEY have to deal with it.

The OPPOSITION simply has to OPPOSE.

Not [REMOVED] rocket science mate.
They lost their majority in part because Labour stood on a manifesto of leaving the EU too, alongside all of their other promises and because of the Maybot performance.

The logic (if you believe they had any) in not supporting May’s deal was that they couldn’t do anything that would support letting the Tories achieve something. It would have given May a chance to shout about how great she was. They had no intention of agreeing to anything and had no intention of trying to find common ground.

Labour are unelectable and their flip-flopping has meant they cannot be trusted. Remainers will stick with Lib Dem’s while only the head in sand Labour voters will stick with Labour. Labour have made the wrong decision going with Remain. All the northern heartland seats voted Leave barring those inner city areas.

Brexit vote will be split between Brexit Party and Tories and it wouldn’t surprise me if they formed a coalition to take down Labour in a snap election soon. Brexit Party will attack the north and Tories will attack the south. Remain vote will be split between Labour, Lib Dem’s, Plaid, Greens and SNP. That’s the problem (though Labour’s change probably means Greens will return to being non-existent again)

All they need is a pro-Brexit majority in Parliament to get things through.

Either way this isn’t going to die soon - it’s going to carry on and rumble on and on because the country is split. Remainers won’t budge barring towards a soft Brexit at most, which they say may as well be in the EU. Brexiteers want a hard Brexit. There’s no middle ground that people are willing to compromise to.
Kin'ell lad, that's the point!
They don't have a [REMOVED] majority.

Jesus Christ. :roll:
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » 28 Jul 2019, 10:00

CasRus wrote:Did anyone see Boris rip Corbyn and MacDonell to shreds on Thursday on his first address ?

It really showed up the state of Labour as to what they currently are - anti democratic betrayers of the people !

What is Corbyn now ? Is he still anti EU ? Oh No he isn't.... oh yes he is...oh no he isn't !!!! What an absolute pathetic joke of a leader and all true as to what Boris said that he's been re-programmed and bodysnatched !!!

Boris has managed to find that Magic Money Tree that Labour has been using these past months - play them at their own game eh !!

The good thing is the optimism of this bloke and the intent to address the north south divide ! - Honestly, he won't be able to pull everything off on the promises he's made but if he get's the North moving with investment at the very least, that's good enough for me !

If he pulls off removing the backstop, there should be a deal which would get through the Commons and we can all move on !! The Boris UK / Trump USA trade deal now being seriously put together could bring in a huge amount of money to pay for the promises in time, so hopefully, for the sake of sanity(including labour voters) let's hope we can all get behind him and look to rosier days ahead as if battle lines continue we are all going to be stuffed !

Let him have his head and see where it all goes for the sake of the country and leave politicking out of it for now ! At least it's been a huge breath of fresh air from the stench of stagnation these past 3 years !
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by HuddsTigers » 28 Jul 2019, 12:15

WF10 wrote:
HuddsTigers wrote:
WF10 wrote:If they'd kept their majority by either:
a) not calling for the 2017 General Election
b) winning a majority in the 2017 General Election

the Tories would be able to pass motions in the House.

THEY called for an Election.
THEY lost their majority.
THEY have to deal with it.

The OPPOSITION simply has to OPPOSE.

Not [REMOVED] rocket science mate.
They lost their majority in part because Labour stood on a manifesto of leaving the EU too, alongside all of their other promises and because of the Maybot performance.

The logic (if you believe they had any) in not supporting May’s deal was that they couldn’t do anything that would support letting the Tories achieve something. It would have given May a chance to shout about how great she was. They had no intention of agreeing to anything and had no intention of trying to find common ground.

Labour are unelectable and their flip-flopping has meant they cannot be trusted. Remainers will stick with Lib Dem’s while only the head in sand Labour voters will stick with Labour. Labour have made the wrong decision going with Remain. All the northern heartland seats voted Leave barring those inner city areas.

Brexit vote will be split between Brexit Party and Tories and it wouldn’t surprise me if they formed a coalition to take down Labour in a snap election soon. Brexit Party will attack the north and Tories will attack the south. Remain vote will be split between Labour, Lib Dem’s, Plaid, Greens and SNP. That’s the problem (though Labour’s change probably means Greens will return to being non-existent again)

All they need is a pro-Brexit majority in Parliament to get things through.

Either way this isn’t going to die soon - it’s going to carry on and rumble on and on because the country is split. Remainers won’t budge barring towards a soft Brexit at most, which they say may as well be in the EU. Brexiteers want a hard Brexit. There’s no middle ground that people are willing to compromise to.
Kin'ell lad, that's the point!
They don't have a [REMOVED] majority.

Jesus Christ. :roll:
Did you actually bother to read the paragraph before? Or even the post?

They don’t have a majority on their own currently because Labour stood on a pro-Brexit manifesto in 2017. Now that Labour have sold out, Brexit Party will attack the seats in the north.

A pro-Brexit majority is wholly different to a parliamentary party majority. To make this simple, it means they form an allegiance to get as many pro-Brexit MPs into parliament to get things through (eg 326 pro-Brexit MPs from across all parties)

Their own majority would make it easier but it isn’t a requirement with the DUP and BXP on board.

Don’t take any notice of %votes in poll as it doesn’t necessarily translate into seats (9m people in London or about 13.5% of population but only have 11% of seats ) Con/BXP currently have 45% of votes in polls but that’s more than likely well on the way to the 326 required for a Brexit majority/coalition.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » 28 Jul 2019, 17:58

Try and educate yourself rather than just read a headline.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by HuddsTigers » 28 Jul 2019, 18:21

Not reading headlines. Reading the latest polls over the last 24 hours which show Tories polling at around 30% and BXP at around 15-16%, which are available via a number of sources.

And similarly, it’s fairly obvious that if Tories and BXP can get enough pro-Brexit into Parliament it will change the dynamics, majority for a party or no majority.

But nice come back - can’t discuss, just try and belittle peeps!
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